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Major Nikon

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58. Cause vs effect

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 11:22 PM

Apr 2019

Correlation does not imply causation. Vegans may have more empathy than average, but that doesn’t mean being a vegan makes one more empathetic.

I view sustainability in dietary choice as more ethical than simply choosing not to eat meat. Nor do I see any ethical dilemma with eating meat.

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Should veganism receive the same legal protection as a religion? [View all] trotsky Apr 2019 OP

Veganism overlooks something Cartoonist Apr 2019 #1

Have you ever heard the screams of a carrot NotAPuppet Apr 2019 #2

Are you trying to make a point? Cartoonist Apr 2019 #3

My point was that your example wasn't very good. NotAPuppet Apr 2019 #7

I missed it then Cartoonist Apr 2019 #12

Their ideas are no less rational than religious beliefs are. Mariana Apr 2019 #4

Agreed Cartoonist Apr 2019 #6

I know some vegans. marylandblue Apr 2019 #15

Your 2nd paragraph is a cop-out Cartoonist Apr 2019 #16

And you have no evidence that anything without a nervous system feels anything at all. marylandblue Apr 2019 #18

Who said anything about feelings? Cartoonist Apr 2019 #19

I said something about feelings. I explained what actual vegans think. marylandblue Apr 2019 #20

I know they think that way Cartoonist Apr 2019 #23

And what makes you think it's hypocritical to care about animal pain marylandblue Apr 2019 #24

I'm an omnivore Cartoonist Apr 2019 #26

That's a real stretch. Veganism is about not killing or abusing animals. Blues Heron Apr 2019 #29

Yes it is Major Nikon Apr 2019 #54

You are on a bit of a high horse yourself. marylandblue Apr 2019 #30

No Cartoonist Apr 2019 #34

Steaks don't feel pain, but cows do. Some people are empathetic to the cows. marylandblue Apr 2019 #43

Most care more about thinking they are morally superior Major Nikon Apr 2019 #53

My view is that vegans actually are more empathetic, and there is research to back it up. marylandblue Apr 2019 #57

Cause vs effect Major Nikon Apr 2019 #58

I didn't say being a vegan makes you more empathetic, or that there was any causation marylandblue Apr 2019 #59

I'd argue cows can be less damaging to the environment than some crops Major Nikon Apr 2019 #60

Vegans don't claim that they want to preserve all life. Mariana Apr 2019 #25

My take Cartoonist Apr 2019 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Mariana Apr 2019 #31

Do you think I'm a hypocrite, then, because I oppose cannibalism? Mariana Apr 2019 #33

Good question Cartoonist Apr 2019 #36

"Human beings are animals, handmade34 Apr 2019 #28

I don't like those that preach Cartoonist Apr 2019 #37

well handmade34 Apr 2019 #42

To the second point Lordquinton Apr 2019 #21

"responses to pain-like stimuli?" There are viruses that do that. marylandblue Apr 2019 #22

That's the issue Lordquinton Apr 2019 #56

It's more than just B12 tinrobot Apr 2019 #35

Wasn't aware of the Vitamin A thing, but for people with normal metabolisms, the point still stands. marylandblue Apr 2019 #45

Would you like to compare health statistics? Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #47

I never said they were unhealthy. tinrobot Apr 2019 #49

The study categorized both veg and vegan diets. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #50

Here's a study of the same group that inlcudes all diets tinrobot Apr 2019 #52

Such studies that don't consider other factors aren't worth much Major Nikon Apr 2019 #55

Yes. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #5

If a vegan is a cashier at a grocery store... trotsky Apr 2019 #9

Like the baker who claimed a right to not make his "artistic" cakes? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #39

Please answer my question. n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #44

Answer your question? Who do you think you're replying to? :D LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #51

LOL no kidding. trotsky Apr 2019 #62

Is it a religion? Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #8

Not a philosophical belief so no. Thyla Apr 2019 #10

The point. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #13

I already give both groups the same treatment. MineralMan Apr 2019 #11

"You can't skip work just because you like a long lie-in in the morning" marylandblue Apr 2019 #14

Do you over sleep religiously? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #40

We can't even keep LGBT fully protected in most of the states in the US Major Nikon Apr 2019 #17

LOL. This may be the most ridiculous debate ever hueymahl Apr 2019 #32

yes handmade34 Apr 2019 #38

Trying to figure out who is more annoying: a street preacher or a vegan Jake Stern Apr 2019 #41

I've never encountered a vegan preaching Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #48

My experience is if you want to know if someone is vegan you don't have to interrogate them Major Nikon Apr 2019 #61

My Question: Why should I know either the religious or food consumption beliefs MineralMan Apr 2019 #46