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marylandblue

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37. I don't ridicule any beliefs myself. If someone says they have evidence of something,
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:36 PM
Mar 2019

I believe they genuinely think they have evidence and that whatever it is enough for them. That doesn't mean they are right. It just means they have some kind of evidence that I don't necessarily agree with.

For things where there is "no evidence," I make an assessment of how certain that lack of evidence can be. I believe that there is no rattlesnake in my house. Now, I haven't really looked for a snake, so I'd say there is a small probability that there actually is one hiding somewhere. But they don't live in this area, and I have a dog who would go nuts if there were any kind of animal bigger than an ant in here. If I then did a thorough search from top to bottom and found no snakes, no snake droppings, heard no rattles or found any other evidence of snakes, I'd say the probability of a rattlesnake drops to zero.

For God, we've looked for a long time, and we've got a lot of stories that don't hold up on close examination. So I don't buy those. Some people have visions or feelings or see strange things. That's evidence, in the sense that we have witnesses testify in court who say "I saw the defendant shot the victim," and juries decide if that witness's story is telling the truth, lying or is perhaps mistaken.

When someone says they felt something or saw something spiritual, I can't say they are lying, maybe they really did see something. Maybe that something is real. Probably it just their brains generating strange things, but maybe it's more than that. It seems to mean a lot to them. I've had religious feelings myself and they means something to me. So I give it a small amount of weight as evidence of something we don't understand. On the other hand, I could also say that those feelings or visions are what people actually mean when they talk about God. They think it's supernatural, but it's just a feeling that they explain with cultural constructs like religion. The feeling is as real as love or friendship though. It's evidence of something, I just don't know what. Hence I am agnostic.

If I gave no weight to those feelings at all, as in they are just brain chemistry and visions or feelings of God are completely worthless even as a personal experience or cultural construct, then I'd say affirmatively there is no God and I'd be a gnostic atheist according to that chart.

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Gnostic Agnostic.. [View all] Soph0571 Mar 2019 OP
Being an atheist is rather like being a socialist. Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #1
Nothing wrong with implicit atheism Major Nikon Mar 2019 #6
Words exist because they are useful in everyday life marylandblue Mar 2019 #23
Its usefulness is severely diminished by theists who can't count to zero. Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #25
You can play around all day with the absurdities of language and people's misunderstandings marylandblue Mar 2019 #30
The only question with "theists" is what kind of magic they believe in, but that is a commonality. Pope George Ringo II Mar 2019 #36
Where do you put someone who just doesn't know if there's a god? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #2
Don't know and don't care is an apatheist Major Nikon Mar 2019 #3
I admit there is a possibility that a god exists. Mariana Mar 2019 #8
I kinda think the Banana Cult might have some merit Major Nikon Mar 2019 #27
All that's required to be an atheist is lack of belief in deities Major Nikon Mar 2019 #4
Put me in the lower left quadrant. Agnostic Atheist. Willing to let others believe what they want erronis Mar 2019 #5
I don't see how Gnostic Atheism even begins to make sense. Ron Obvious Mar 2019 #7
It makes just as much sense as gnostic theism Mariana Mar 2019 #9
Theists usually refer to "Revealed Knowledge" Ron Obvious Mar 2019 #12
I'm not absolutely certain there's no spaceship behind the Hale Bopp comet Major Nikon Mar 2019 #13
I don't believe in the existence of deities. MineralMan Mar 2019 #10
Gnostic should refer to knowing from experience. Lots of people, myself included, have Karadeniz Mar 2019 #11
Strange you'd accept the one making an incredible claim and reject the one that doesn't Major Nikon Mar 2019 #14
I'm sorry, but I don't understand. What incredible claim do I accept? The medical doctor's? Actually Karadeniz Mar 2019 #17
You described it twice Major Nikon Mar 2019 #18
I have a serious question. Mariana Mar 2019 #16
The doctor wrote a book. She could be an unscrupulous liar. She could have studied Karadeniz Mar 2019 #19
The doctor wrote a book? Awesome. Mariana Mar 2019 #21
...and made money from it Major Nikon Mar 2019 #22
There's a lot of money being made from books like that. nt. Mariana Mar 2019 #31
There's a lot of money to be made from religion period Major Nikon Mar 2019 #33
Not to mention people readily believe what they are conditioned to believe Major Nikon Mar 2019 #20
I don't separate belief from knowledge and I find the word "belief" ambiguous marylandblue Mar 2019 #15
Neither am I absolutely certain Xenu didn't bring billions of people to Teegeeack (Earth) in a DC-8 Major Nikon Mar 2019 #24
I am 100% certain that Xenu did no such thing. marylandblue Mar 2019 #26
I'm not sure how you can say that with zero proof Major Nikon Mar 2019 #28
Because the universe would have to work in a very different way than it does marylandblue Mar 2019 #29
Actually I'd say the reverse is true Major Nikon Mar 2019 #32
It's not just that there is no evidence that there are thetans marylandblue Mar 2019 #34
That sounds like your argument so I'm trying to understand it Major Nikon Mar 2019 #35
I don't ridicule any beliefs myself. If someone says they have evidence of something, marylandblue Mar 2019 #37
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