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Major Nikon

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34. I think it depends on what kind of theologian they are
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:51 AM
Mar 2019

Some of them spend their time trying to figure out what the literal meaning is or in other words they are just translating the original authorship into modern language with the highest degree of fidelity possible. All languages have words and phrases with multiple meanings. Given almost all of the bible was passed on for decades or centuries by oral tradition from illiterate people and we don't know when or by whom or where the vast majority of it came from, the degree of fidelity is quite low.

From the literal translation, which we know is already riddled with all sorts of unavoidable errors during that process, other theologians will try and derive what the original authors actually meant. Each step of this process inherits the errors produced from the ones before. The example you gave for a figure of speech is another guess in the process. Was that figure of speech consistent from the time the oral tradition started to when it was written down? Maybe. It's also possible and quite likely the oral tradition started as something else more or less specific and evolved from there. Anyone who tries to tell you they know with any degree of certainty what the original authors actually meant can safely be assumed to be quite full of shit. When that person's objectivity is clouded by notions of hocus pocus, you no longer have to assume.

My dad started out as a pious Christian who bought into the mainstream Christian view of what the bible meant. By the time he finished his seminary education he had abandoned Christianity in favor of a universalist view. Some of the most respected Christian theologians are non-Christians, including agnostics.

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Seems to depend on sect, translation and safeinOhio Mar 2019 #1
It's really just an indicator of how narrow the mind is Major Nikon Mar 2019 #3
It varies, but some literalism is certainly necessary for belief. MineralMan Mar 2019 #2
Most dictionary definitions of christian is just one who follows the teachings of Christ Major Nikon Mar 2019 #4
Well, I always accept someone's own status if they say they are a Christian. MineralMan Mar 2019 #6
That's the safest approach Major Nikon Mar 2019 #7
Out of curiosity, of course, I often ask for details of what one believes. MineralMan Mar 2019 #9
An overly broad question. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #12
No, it is not. It is just a question. MineralMan Mar 2019 #15
I have in fact answered some specific questions about specific verses or stories. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #17
Whatever, Monsieur B. Whatever. MineralMan Mar 2019 #19
It is an answer. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #23
Near as I can tell, he believes in an original quantum fluctuation marylandblue Mar 2019 #26
Only for the Non-Metaphorical parts of the text. (NT) NeoGreen Mar 2019 #5
No handmade34 Mar 2019 #8
Well, that's true. I have met working Christian ministers who admit they are atheists. MineralMan Mar 2019 #10
Many, if not most churches require some sort of seminary education for their ministers Major Nikon Mar 2019 #11
I'm sure I've told this story before in this group: MineralMan Mar 2019 #18
My dad was a Unitarian minister Major Nikon Mar 2019 #20
Well, I was just filling in for my friend. MineralMan Mar 2019 #22
I've heard this before Lordquinton Mar 2019 #24
Good question. It's a job, I guess. MineralMan Mar 2019 #25
Kinda takes the mystique out of the whole thing Lordquinton Mar 2019 #28
It probably depends on the individual. MineralMan Mar 2019 #32
The Clergy Project... NeoGreen Mar 2019 #31
That's a very interesting website - particularly the individual stories. MineralMan Mar 2019 #33
My pleasure... NeoGreen Mar 2019 #35
Yeah, kind of funny the person who insists no one can define someone else's religion or beliefs... trotsky Mar 2019 #13
He's not the only one Major Nikon Mar 2019 #21
"a theist" or "atheist"-what a difference a space makes n/t delisen Mar 2019 #14
"real Christian" edhopper Mar 2019 #16
In classical Christian hermeneutics Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #27
If you are going there, 'literalism' Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #30
Not even people studying theology are biblical literalists. DetlefK Mar 2019 #29
I think it depends on what kind of theologian they are Major Nikon Mar 2019 #34
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