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The Velveteen Ocelot

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1. Not all of it is twaddle. He's right about this:

Thu Dec 13, 2018, 03:46 PM

Dec 2018

[Evangelical] leaders have turned Christianity into a political and social identity, not a lived faith, and much of their flock — a staggering 81 percent voted for Trump — has signed on. They have tribalized a religion explicitly built by Jesus as anti-tribal. They have turned to idols — including their blasphemous belief in America as God’s chosen country. They have embraced wealth and nationalism as core goods, two ideas utterly anathema to Christ. They are indifferent to the destruction of the creation they say they believe God made. And because their faith is unmoored but their religious impulse is strong, they seek a replacement for religion. This is why they could suddenly rally to a cult called Trump. He may be the least Christian person in America, but his persona met the religious need their own faiths had ceased to provide. The terrible truth of the last three years is that the fresh appeal of a leader-cult has overwhelmed the fading truths of Christianity.

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In the Mood for Some Pseudo-Religious Codswallop? [View all] MineralMan Dec 2018 OP

Not all of it is twaddle. He's right about this: The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #1

Well, I changed the title. I replaced "Twaddle" with "Codswallop." MineralMan Dec 2018 #2

I disagree. Trump will be replaced by something or someone else The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #3

It has always happened. Different crowds, different tyrannical characters. MineralMan Dec 2018 #4

That' what got my attention... 2naSalit Dec 2018 #26

I think he has a point, but there is no word in the English language for it. marylandblue Dec 2018 #5

Relationships with others. MineralMan Dec 2018 #6

Those are personal meanings, and good as far as they go marylandblue Dec 2018 #7

Politics, social organizations, careers. MineralMan Dec 2018 #8

Yes, the list is endless, that's part of the problem marylandblue Dec 2018 #9

Good points. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #10

I think people need a grand narrative, that's really what he is talking about marylandblue Dec 2018 #16

Everyone crafts their own narrative. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #18

Most people buy their narratives off the shelf marylandblue Dec 2018 #24

IF/WHEN The Christ Himself RETURNS in Glory as He supposedly sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #29

Well, I am an agnostic, so I really don't know. marylandblue Dec 2018 #30

I had awareness of that which you 'hold' or how you identify. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #31

I guess I'm not a person... tonedevil Dec 2018 #32

I was clearly talking about people in general, not each and every individual person marylandblue Dec 2018 #33

Er what? Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #34

Didn't make any complaints about atheism just accepted what atheists usually say. marylandblue Dec 2018 #35

Like this: guillaumeb Dec 2018 #11

Yes, I read it. Codswallop. MineralMan Dec 2018 #12

I agree with that part of the article. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #13

See. I was right, then. MineralMan Dec 2018 #14

Well, you are free to think so. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #15

Of course I am. MineralMan Dec 2018 #20

This is the weakest part of the article marylandblue Dec 2018 #17

We disagree. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #19

No shit. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #27

But wait. Guy agrees with that paragraph. MineralMan Dec 2018 #21

Yes, it's hard for some people to think of life without religion marylandblue Dec 2018 #22

And some can't imagine life with religion. MineralMan Dec 2018 #23

... Major Nikon Dec 2018 #25

It's actually a quite interesting article. Jim__ Dec 2018 #28