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In reply to the discussion: Ghost Guns Are Everywhere in California [View all]Straw Man
(6,820 posts)97. It took you a while ...
... to get to the ad hominem, but what you lacked in promptness you made up for with virulence.
Feel free to malign me and my motives to your heart's content, but please don't misrepresent what I said.
you simply tried to foist upon readers an alternate reality that it was due to increased gun owner's safety training measures alone
I never said that it was "alone," nor did I deny the other causal factors. What I did say was that the source placed your pet causal factor -- decline in the number of gun-owning households -- last in what I assume to be an order of importance, based on standard journalistic practice. In all of your bluster, you seem to have honestly misinterpreted or deliberately misquoted me. I'll give you the courtesy of assuming it was the former. Why, I don't know -- I guess I'm just feeling charitable.
Furthermore, how dare you assign priority when your own LA Times article had this to say about it, acknowledging they do not know which reason the more influential:
Researchers say uncertainty over what is driving the decline also stems from a lack of federal funding to study the issue. In 1996, the Republican-controlled Congress passed the so-called Dickey Amendment, which stipulated that money appropriated to the CDC could not be used to advocate or promote gun control. The provision remains in place.
Researchers say uncertainty over what is driving the decline also stems from a lack of federal funding to study the issue. In 1996, the Republican-controlled Congress passed the so-called Dickey Amendment, which stipulated that money appropriated to the CDC could not be used to advocate or promote gun control. The provision remains in place.
The very uncertainty to which they refer would undermine anyone's determination of priority -- yours as well as mine. And let me remind you that the Dickey Amendment only denies funding to studies whose goal is "advocacy" rather than pure research. Science that starts with an agenda and looks for data to support it is junk science.
You claim to be able to do something that the authors of the article cannot: determine to a certainty what the prime cause for the decline in firearms deaths is. Your flurry of random statistics is about as persuasive as a crystal ball.
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Pious fraud is part and parcel of gun control advocacy. That was merely the latest example.
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#5
None of which substantiate your original claim. We've seen this sort of thing before:
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#8
Some truly believe that mere repetition of a claim is a sign of veracity...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#17
Not that I disagree- but mere repetition of a claim is no indicator of truth
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#16
"You didn't address my point" Said 'point' is merely a repeated claim, made with much handwaving...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#20
"Disband the NRA" by mindlessly parroting your claims to everyone we know?
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#32
You have to admit without the NRA, the only guns left would be muskets & Colt SAAs
discntnt_irny_srcsm
May 2019
#33
Gay marriage was achieved by action, not mindless repetition of slogans...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#62
God the bull shit never ends does it. Bad parenting? Combined with a fucking GUN!
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#30
What does the NRA do to prevent school shootings? Actually they work toward more
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#29
No no no no the tool is made for killing and is used to kill children in school. That you
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#52
implicitly to murder me or anyone else, is more important than my right to life
gejohnston
May 2019
#41
The 2nd Amendment only applies to MILITIAS. And Scalia got bought by gun companies
sharedvalues
May 2019
#77
An obvious (and clumsy) propagandist lecturing others about 'bad faith'?
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2019
#89
I might accept that sniper rifles are designed to kill but guns in general? Not so much other guns.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
May 2019
#35
If guns in general aren't designed to kill, then what are they designed for?
PoindexterOglethorpe
May 2019
#39
Once again, with rare exceptions guns are designed to kill living things.
PoindexterOglethorpe
May 2019
#67
Authoritarians and moral panic-mongers love the "Won't somebody think of the children?" schtick
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#79
You're not the first demagogue to sanctimoniously proclaim that you're trying to 'save' children...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#80