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In reply to the discussion: Ghost Guns Are Everywhere in California [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)57. actually, there are thousands of gun laws in the US
Last edited Sun May 26, 2019, 05:09 PM - Edit history (1)
There are currently at least seven federal gun control laws. California has 110.
Note that New Zealand took less than a month to ban the kind of guns used in the recent mosque shooting. And Australia did something similar some years back after a mass gun shooting. I suppose it's sheer coincidence that no more mass shootings have occurred in that country. Unlike, say, this country. Where mass shooting after mass shooting after mass shooting after domestic violence shooting after random non mass shooting occurs every single day.
NZ's PM acted like a dictator, and NZ has zero freedom of press and speech. If the Censor office says you can't read it, you go to prison for reading it. Parliamentary systems, like all democracies, devolved into authoritarian oligarchies, like NZ and Australia. There have been just as many mass shootings in Australia before as after, and just as many people killed in mass murder.
It's not as though the only people that get shot are posing an immediate threat of death or grave bodily injury to the shooter. Or did all those kids at Parkland or Sandy Hook or in Las Vegas pose such a threat? Really? Are you sure about that.
I said 90 percent. Per capita, we are 12th when counting only European countries.
So yeah, let's take the guns away and see what happens.
They did in Mexico and Brazil. How did that work out? The consensous among criminologists are clear, there is no evidence gun control laws affect crime rates. Crime rates were lower in Western Europe when they had no gun control laws at all. Gun control laws, including UK, were passed because the ruling elites don't like the masses being armed. UK started passing laws in the 1920s because the upper classes were afraid of the many working class men, who didn't have the right to vote but were still drafted, returning from World War One.
Maybe I'm delusional, but I think that in those cases, and most every other case we can think of, it was the shooter that posed a grave bodily threat to innocent people, not the other way around.
Yes, and as the many mass shootings and mass stabbings in other parts of the world clearly show, it is delusional to think laws will stop anyone. It is also delusional to think that a policy, not based on fact or logic, but on demonetization, emotional manipulation, logical fallacies, and made up bullshit will actually be effective.
Local NZ media reported he left the second mosque after someone returned fire.
The reason for support is always highest immediately after a mass murder and goes back down afterward. People are reacting on emotion. Once people put their critical thinking caps back on, they realize the ideologues and propagandists were full of shit. The PM took advantage of the emotions to pass what she could not get through parliament before, or two months afterward, it also played into the killer's hands. That is what he wanted, he said that is the only reason he used legally obtained firearms, or really firearms at all. Of course, the average NZ person isn't allowed to know that. Downloading or possessing a copy of the rant will get you ten years in prison, 14 years for passing it.
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Pious fraud is part and parcel of gun control advocacy. That was merely the latest example.
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#5
None of which substantiate your original claim. We've seen this sort of thing before:
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#8
Some truly believe that mere repetition of a claim is a sign of veracity...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#17
Not that I disagree- but mere repetition of a claim is no indicator of truth
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#16
"You didn't address my point" Said 'point' is merely a repeated claim, made with much handwaving...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#20
"Disband the NRA" by mindlessly parroting your claims to everyone we know?
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#32
You have to admit without the NRA, the only guns left would be muskets & Colt SAAs
discntnt_irny_srcsm
May 2019
#33
Gay marriage was achieved by action, not mindless repetition of slogans...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#62
God the bull shit never ends does it. Bad parenting? Combined with a fucking GUN!
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#30
What does the NRA do to prevent school shootings? Actually they work toward more
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#29
No no no no the tool is made for killing and is used to kill children in school. That you
wasupaloopa
May 2019
#52
implicitly to murder me or anyone else, is more important than my right to life
gejohnston
May 2019
#41
The 2nd Amendment only applies to MILITIAS. And Scalia got bought by gun companies
sharedvalues
May 2019
#77
An obvious (and clumsy) propagandist lecturing others about 'bad faith'?
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2019
#89
I might accept that sniper rifles are designed to kill but guns in general? Not so much other guns.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
May 2019
#35
If guns in general aren't designed to kill, then what are they designed for?
PoindexterOglethorpe
May 2019
#39
Once again, with rare exceptions guns are designed to kill living things.
PoindexterOglethorpe
May 2019
#67
Authoritarians and moral panic-mongers love the "Won't somebody think of the children?" schtick
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#79
You're not the first demagogue to sanctimoniously proclaim that you're trying to 'save' children...
friendly_iconoclast
May 2019
#80