Gun Control & RKBA

needledriver

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3. The "implications" of the well regulated militia clause

Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:02 PM

Nov 2018

are that being in a well regulated militia was just one example why the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. If the right of the people to keep and bear arms was intended to be limited to the militia, the 2nd Amendment would have stated "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms..." It does not say that. It says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms..."

Who are "the people"? You can go all the way to the top of the Constitution to see who: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

We the People of the United States have the right to keep and bear arms to establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.

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Which Americans support the Second Amendment? The answer depends on whether whites or blacks have th [View all] Eugene Nov 2018 OP

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2018 #1

That's an odd question. My take is that gun nuts interpret the meaning of the amendment differently Nitram Nov 2018 #2

The "implications" of the well regulated militia clause needledriver Nov 2018 #3

That's your idiosyncratic interpretation. There are two interpretations that are widely accepted Nitram Nov 2018 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author gejohnston Nov 2018 #5

A simple challenge for you hack89 Nov 2018 #6

I make a distinction between owning and practicing the safe use of a firearm, Nitram Nov 2018 #7

We are talking about guns and the militia. hack89 Nov 2018 #8

The history around the Bill of Rights supports my claim. During debates on what rights should be Nitram Nov 2018 #10

Ok. Now show me the case law that says all of that. hack89 Nov 2018 #11

You can start here. Enjoy! Nitram Nov 2018 #15

No. hack89 Nov 2018 #18

"But with the right of gun ownership enshrined in the U.S. Constitution" hack89 Nov 2018 #19

anywhere outside of the South before the mid 1920s gejohnston Nov 2018 #9

Per your request, yagotme Nov 2018 #12

In south central Kansas, some 55 years ago. oneshooter Nov 2018 #13

You've just proved my point. You were not allowed to "bear arms" in school. Nitram Nov 2018 #16

Ok, so you agree that a 10yr old should be allowed to carry a rifle oneshooter Nov 2018 #22

I was given my first rifle at age 10. I would never have been allowed to carry it loaded, not to Nitram Nov 2018 #23

And how long ago was this? oneshooter Nov 2018 #24

1962 Nitram Nov 2018 #25

Were you living in a city/town? oneshooter Nov 2018 #26

Rural Virginia. Nitram Nov 2018 #27

I took my first "big game" with my Grandfathers M92 in 38WCF, no scope. I was 10 years old. oneshooter Nov 2018 #28

Umm, your original question was to "Carry" "into school". yagotme Dec 2018 #30

You do realize that schools used to have gun clubs, don't you? Revanchist Nov 2018 #14

Looks pretty well-regulated to me. Nitram Nov 2018 #17

Poor trigger discipline in some of those pics. yagotme Dec 2018 #31

But nothing to do with the militia, right? Nt hack89 Nov 2018 #29

My daughter's university in Minnasota has secure gun lockers for students hack89 Nov 2018 #21

Yes, there are two interpretations discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2018 #20

boring bor jimmy the one Dec 2018 #33

Apologies for the quote. It should heave been, "Jimmy, we have to cook." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #34

both limitation and protection in bor jimmy the one Dec 2018 #36

"...you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it comprehend..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #37

I'm so excited, I just can't hide it jimmy the one Dec 2018 #38

re: "Thanks for making my point." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #39

miller said no individual rkba jimmy the one Dec 2018 #40

re: "miller said no individual rkba" discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #41

read and understand 1939 miller decision jimmy the one Dec 2018 #42

re: "Abandonment by defense counsel occurs & occurred... You make little sense." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #43

1939 Miller decision in supreme court jimmy the one Dec 2018 #32

In discussing miller provide for us in detail... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #35