Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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62. A few more things.

Fri May 4, 2018, 10:34 PM

May 2018

A gun present seems to increase the odds of being killed by a gun.

Yes. It is impossible to be killed by a gun when there is no gun present. Does that really need to be said? It's a meaningless truism.

So--don't carry a fucking gun in my presence. Your(not YOU you) right to carry takes years off of my life(on average).

Umm ... no, it doesn't. You are not a statistical amalgam, and merely being in the presence of a gun does nothing to your personal life expectancy.

Gun nuts are called gun nuts for a reason. It is their biggest thing. The fact that it is their biggest thing makes them the perfect candidates for not being able to carry guns.

I'm sorry, but that's complete nonsense. It's the type of Catch-22 mumbo-jumbo that gun-haters use to try to make their case for total disarmament. I own a modest collection of guns. I use guns recreationally and frequently carry one for self-defense. You would probably call me a "gun nut," but guns are not my "biggest thing." My loved ones are my "biggest thing," and my second-biggest thing is music. Most of the people I shoot with have similar value systems. You are operating with a set of blinkered stereotypes that distort your perceptions.

And--the studies that are actually available show that having a gun on your person changes how you react to certain situations. OF COURSE it does. Of course it does. The biggest tool you have changes how one reacts.

Perhaps, but not necessarily in the way that you think it does. For example, I have a friend who was a bad road-rager until he got his CCW and started to carry a handgun. At that point, he realized the potentially dire consequences of getting into these idiotic conflicts and mended his ways accordingly. "Let it go" became his mantra.

Your opinion of your fellow human being seems to be curiously low for someone on a progressive website.

Finally-I have personally chosen to react to a few people differently based upon the likelihood that they probably have a gun.
This is a problem--it means that the normal social reward or opprobrium is missing.

Yes, it is a problem, and it's strictly your problem. Unless someone is actually threatening you with a gun, there is no reason for these fears.

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A question for this group-- [View all] digonswine Apr 2018 OP

And if you do carry "ready to go", as it were, why? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #1

well it depends The Polack MSgt Apr 2018 #2

Yeah -I know double-action digonswine Apr 2018 #3

even though i dont have guns , i was trained this way too. AllaN01Bear May 2018 #76

First, I understand busy, no need to reply at all to me discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #4

that's reasonable- digonswine Apr 2018 #5

Cool I just haven't seen you around in this group much discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #6

OK-maybe not control- digonswine Apr 2018 #11

I say control is myth because... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #24

By "control"-I was referring to a person's feeling of being personally in control-- digonswine Apr 2018 #29

Like many Democrats, you are logical and respectful discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #33

I can't say I agree with your idea of personal freedom- digonswine May 2018 #56

re: trust and personal freedom discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #58

A few things- digonswine May 2018 #61

A few more things. Straw Man May 2018 #62

One at a time- digonswine May 2018 #66

I think responding to you is most likely a waste of time- digonswine May 2018 #82

If it's such a waste of time, ... Straw Man May 2018 #87

I missed that I responded previously-time went by and I am a busy feller- digonswine May 2018 #90

replies on select if not most points discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #63

I did not see this post- digonswine May 2018 #74

I know teachers take a lot of work home discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #75

I don't want you to get the idea that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #81

Hi-- digonswine May 2018 #83

Hi back at you discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #88

I did have a great holiday--thanks digonswine May 2018 #89

re: "School is a safe place..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #91

It's silly to take the founding fathers' ideas as perfect for today's problems- digonswine Jun 2018 #93

I promise to elaborate but also please check out #92 discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #94

I think I covered most of your issues and questions... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #95

You have been reasonable in discussion, which I appreciate, of course-- digonswine Jun 2018 #96

re: I have had enough of it and am probably done discussing it(maybe). discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2018 #97

Responses to a few discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #92

Why are there no warnings on guns that say you are more likely to be killed with a gun when you poss gejohnston May 2018 #64

Scientific American says different-- digonswine May 2018 #67

false delima gejohnston May 2018 #68

I can't agree- digonswine May 2018 #69

if it is locked to the outside, gejohnston May 2018 #70

I will reply in order of your responses- digonswine May 2018 #73

just a few things gejohnston May 2018 #78

There is no perfect response to a situation of an active shooter- digonswine May 2018 #79

If I might interject... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #71

You might- digonswine May 2018 #72

Take a look at this, oneshooter May 2018 #77

Before I retired I lived in a fairly bad section in the Tampa Bay Area. ... spin Apr 2018 #26

Every gun model that's designed for duty use or concealed carry HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2018 #7

It would seem to me that that is not terribly safe- digonswine Apr 2018 #9

If you are worried about a revolver discharging if dropped oneshooter Apr 2018 #17

I am not terribly worried about a dropped revolver-- digonswine May 2018 #85

I carry a gejohnston Apr 2018 #8

Please see my post (#9) digonswine Apr 2018 #10

About 8-10 pounds gejohnston Apr 2018 #14

The "New York trigger" for a Glock is 12lb. oneshooter Apr 2018 #18

Viral videos. Straw Man Apr 2018 #31

If I am carrying something sarisataka Apr 2018 #12

Well- digonswine Apr 2018 #13

I have not seen a lot sarisataka Apr 2018 #16

Hey, welcome to your own opinion! tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #23

2nd amendment mythology excerpt jimmy the one Apr 2018 #34

Speaking of mythology... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #36

Carrying for self-defense generally means being able to draw and shoot quickly. krispos42 Apr 2018 #15

So-- digonswine Apr 2018 #21

Responsible people keep guns in this state only when... krispos42 Apr 2018 #27

I still can't see- digonswine Apr 2018 #28

There's a big difference ... Straw Man Apr 2018 #30

The question would seem to be "safe from what?" krispos42 Apr 2018 #35

I think the main reason that safeties on handguns HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2018 #19

I haven't carried in years, but when I did... aikoaiko Apr 2018 #20

I carry occasionally... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #22

(redirected) British 'have arms' decrees jimmy the one Apr 2018 #37

"...the right to "have arms" embodied in the English Declaration of Rights... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #40

Scalia cited Ben Oliver in heller jimmy the one Apr 2018 #41

And in that regard: discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2018 #43

Earth to J1... tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #42

jto checkmates the pretzel logic jimmy the one May 2018 #50

redirected #2, prevention not disarmament jimmy the one Apr 2018 #38

Disarmament tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #44

arms embargoes jimmy the one May 2018 #47

redirected #3, Fort Pownal, Maine jimmy the one Apr 2018 #39

WTF are you talking about? tortoise1956 Apr 2018 #45

Ports mouth, common harbor jimmy the one Apr 2018 #46

And again with the calumnies... tortoise1956 May 2018 #49

how to lodge a complaint jimmy the one May 2018 #59

more contradictions jimmy the one May 2018 #60

correction on fort pownal jimmy the one May 2018 #51

I legally carry a snub nosed revolver. ... spin Apr 2018 #25

dig on spot on jimmy the one Apr 2018 #32

Correlation. Straw Man May 2018 #48

That last paragraph looks like crap. krispos42 May 2018 #65

fair points jimmy the one May 2018 #80

Most semi auto Timewas May 2018 #52

Neither do many that OC discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #53

Glocks are safer than you say Alea May 2018 #54

Everyone Timewas May 2018 #55

Glocks just don't feel right in my hand. n/t oneshooter May 2018 #57

re you saying there should be limits regarding who carries what? Sure seems that way. digonswine May 2018 #84

Not at all Timewas May 2018 #86

I don't carry very frequently kudzu22 Jun 2018 #98