Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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32. What you are really saying is

Sun Mar 18, 2018, 12:43 PM

Mar 2018

"I don't like democracy when it doesn't go my way, and the first amendment shouldn't apply to people who disagree with me". It is the same nonsense right wingers spewed when Obama wanted to appoint some lawyer who represented Westly Cook in an appeal.
or as lawyer/ethics blogger Josh Marshall points out:

Condemning and demonizing an advocacy organization because one does not agree with or dislikes the position it advocates is, in my view, exactly like condemning a lawyer for effectively representing an unpopular client—and a lot of ignorant Americans do that, too. Citizens have a right to have an effective organization promote their views and opinions in the court of public opinion, just as citizens have a right to have a competent attorney to represent their interests in a court of law. Attacks on this principle are unsustainable, unethical, and undermine democracy.

https://ethicsalarms.com/2018/02/26/cnn-vs-the-nra-ethically-its-no-contest/

Also, groups like ISIS and Al Qaida, the Irish Republican Army, Red Army Faction, KKK, has killed (and some continue to) kill children. That is why teachers are armed in some countries (especially girls schools in places like Pakistan). Just because the children are not American, does not mean they don't exist.

You are advocating for attacking the first and second amendments.

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These numbers are too real. We. Need. Change. [View all] ffr Mar 2018 OP

the numbers are not real gejohnston Mar 2018 #1

That's a red herring distraction fallacy. ffr Mar 2018 #2

no, that is a comparison. gejohnston Mar 2018 #3

That's your second red herring distraction. You said the numbers weren't real. ffr Mar 2018 #5

Your numbers aren't real. krispos42 Mar 2018 #8

That's another straw man fallacy ffr Mar 2018 #14

You did make a claim, and it is false krispos42 Mar 2018 #19

I did refute them gejohnston Mar 2018 #9

Your assertion is that 7,182 students have been killed in schools since 2012 krispos42 Mar 2018 #4

Actually the OP never made any "assertion" about murdered students per day. rgbecker Mar 2018 #10

No, the person made an assertion about 7,182 students killed in schools over 2,280 days krispos42 Mar 2018 #11

Who are you talking about? "No, the person made an assertion" ffr Mar 2018 #24

You. krispos42 Mar 2018 #26

Just to clarify... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #13

Original post, as in the context that this is a forum. n/t ffr Mar 2018 #17

I reiterate the position of krispos42 discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #22

That's a straw man fallacy. I have made no such proposition as you are claiming I have. ffr Mar 2018 #12

You posted the picture and said the numbers are "too real" krispos42 Mar 2018 #15

Again, another straw man. No I didn't. Did you click the tweet? That's what the tweet said. ffr Mar 2018 #18

You made a statement and posted a tweet in support. krispos42 Mar 2018 #20

You're are doubling down on your straw man? Citing what someone else claimed as the source ffr Mar 2018 #23

Yes it does because you posted it as a citation to your proposition krispos42 Mar 2018 #25

He/she is apparently now disavowing all the content of that post. Straw Man Mar 2018 #30

The person in question is now banned from the Group... krispos42 Mar 2018 #31

And I'm backed up with facts. Here's a rapid-response screen capture krispos42 Mar 2018 #6

Perhaps this is the right place for this discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #7

You may be onto something. The claim doesn't appear accurate as it relates to school shootings ffr Mar 2018 #21

I certainly may discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #28

How many people were killed by bridge collapses during those years? rgbecker Mar 2018 #16

The NRA Should be Classified as an Enemy Combatant Organization dlk Mar 2018 #27

Sorry. Straw Man Mar 2018 #29

What you are really saying is gejohnston Mar 2018 #32