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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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25. Thanks for the belated welcome and welcome to you too
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:22 AM
Mar 2018
#1 If you are so certain that I am wrong, what is your source listing a quantifiable count to refute my original estimate?

#2 Furthermore, your straw man conclusion...

#3 A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent,


My apologies for inferring that your question (#1 above) was a question of the respondent's source for doubt rather than a demand to prove your assertions incorrect. However, stepping back from the exchange you must certainly see that such a conclusion would be a logical one. I will highlight here that I infer that your respondent simply does not see a sufficiently supported count in the sources you provided.

You did here also incorrectly infer that I made a straw man argument about your part of the exchange. In fact, I was pointing to a possible motivation behind the line of questioning you repeated several times. My applause for your pursuing facts and information an activity which I notice becomes more rare every month among the general population. A small percentage of the population believe things simply because they want to. They think things like somehow government actors took remote control of aircraft on 11 September 2001. More to the point here and as an example, some folks believe and support the use of "control" in the term "gun-control". I do not. I don't offer proof of that.

You say that millions joined the protest or, in various ways, supported the protest. I drew a conclusion from your exchange. It was a logical conclusion not a straw man. It is entirely fine to answer those who question your assertions by explaining those assertions as beliefs. It is also entirely fine to point to a source and make it clear that you accept (or don't accept) that source's reasoning, analysis or other basic data.

People make claims and post their ideas all time here. That's why we're here. Sharing ideas, issues and solutions for problems is why we are here. It's a First Amendment exercise. Bravo.

My interest here was to possibly move this discussion beyond a "did not/did so" series of statements. I didn't supply that information in my reply to you and you assumed that my conclusion was meant as a straw man (see #3).

To the source of this thread, many pro-RKBA Democrats, myself included, often share that in the current political climate a ban on a certain gun or guns in general isn't likely and that it is a better use of political momentum to engage in support of the possible. I worked for over a year (including the 2016 election season) in a rural area of Western PA. I often discussed ideas of politics with people there. I believe it will be more fruitful in future elections to support basic and unarguable regulations that everyone on both sides of this issue can embrace.

Demanding that AR-15s be banned only creates more enemies for Democrats.

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When 600,000 students and countless millions of others walk out tomorrow at 10:00 AM ffr Mar 2018 #1
no it isn't gejohnston Mar 2018 #3
That flies in the face of everything I'm seeing and hearing on the news. ffr Mar 2018 #4
they are a loud minority gejohnston Mar 2018 #6
Did countless millions and 600,000 students walk out yesterday as you predicted? If not, exactly... Marengo Mar 2018 #9
I was wrong. It wasn't 600,000 students, it was a 1,000,000 give or take. ffr Mar 2018 #11
i dont see any reference to countless millions in that article, neither is there a source... Marengo Mar 2018 #12
Unusually negative conclusion for something that would be difficult to quantify ffr Mar 2018 #13
Are you claiming youre not wrong on predicting countless millions would walk out? Marengo Mar 2018 #14
Nice Red Herring fallacy, but please address my previous proposition Post #9 ffr Mar 2018 #15
Ummm, you made the claim countless millions would walk out. Where is the evidence this happened? Marengo Mar 2018 #17
Another Red Herring diversion. Address my proposition in #9. ffr Mar 2018 #18
Ah, so no evidence then. Got it. Marengo Mar 2018 #19
I can't move on to address your next question until you've rebutted my 1st. ffr Mar 2018 #21
Not to intrude here but #9 is not your post discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #23
I see it's now post #11, the one that he replied to. But I rebut your straw man conclusion. ffr Mar 2018 #24
Thanks for the belated welcome and welcome to you too discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #25
A B C ffr Mar 2018 #29
A B C 1 2 3... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #32
Youre right, you cant move on as you have nothing to back the prediction countless millions Marengo Mar 2018 #28
Do you think it's ridiculous of me to ask that you provide basis for your rebuttal? ffr Mar 2018 #30
LOL! Just as I expected. Im still waiting for a source proving your prediction that countless... Marengo Mar 2018 #33
Whoops. See my post below. It didn't reply to this post directly. n/t ffr Mar 2018 #31
p.s. Welcome to D.U. ffr Mar 2018 #16
In limbo-- where it's been for years... TreasonousBastard Mar 2018 #2
In the larger context, gejohnston Mar 2018 #5
I think you've revealed more about yourself than you intended, on this thread. Paladin Mar 2018 #7
Two things, gejohnston Mar 2018 #8
What has been revealed? Marengo Mar 2018 #10
I think you've revealed more about yourself than you intended, with that post friendly_iconoclast Mar 2018 #20
In the shitter? Alea Mar 2018 #22
what is said and done during a campaign usually doesn't lead to same policies once in office beachbum bob Mar 2018 #26
Lamb favored stricter background checks Freddie Mar 2018 #27
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