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In reply to the discussion: A pro-gun Democrat could win in Trump country. Where does that leave gun control activism? [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,604 posts)25. Thanks for the belated welcome and welcome to you too
#1 If you are so certain that I am wrong, what is your source listing a quantifiable count to refute my original estimate?
#2 Furthermore, your straw man conclusion...
#3 A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent,
My apologies for inferring that your question (#1 above) was a question of the respondent's source for doubt rather than a demand to prove your assertions incorrect. However, stepping back from the exchange you must certainly see that such a conclusion would be a logical one. I will highlight here that I infer that your respondent simply does not see a sufficiently supported count in the sources you provided.
You did here also incorrectly infer that I made a straw man argument about your part of the exchange. In fact, I was pointing to a possible motivation behind the line of questioning you repeated several times. My applause for your pursuing facts and information an activity which I notice becomes more rare every month among the general population. A small percentage of the population believe things simply because they want to. They think things like somehow government actors took remote control of aircraft on 11 September 2001. More to the point here and as an example, some folks believe and support the use of "control" in the term "gun-control". I do not. I don't offer proof of that.
You say that millions joined the protest or, in various ways, supported the protest. I drew a conclusion from your exchange. It was a logical conclusion not a straw man. It is entirely fine to answer those who question your assertions by explaining those assertions as beliefs. It is also entirely fine to point to a source and make it clear that you accept (or don't accept) that source's reasoning, analysis or other basic data.
People make claims and post their ideas all time here. That's why we're here. Sharing ideas, issues and solutions for problems is why we are here. It's a First Amendment exercise. Bravo.
My interest here was to possibly move this discussion beyond a "did not/did so" series of statements. I didn't supply that information in my reply to you and you assumed that my conclusion was meant as a straw man (see #3).
To the source of this thread, many pro-RKBA Democrats, myself included, often share that in the current political climate a ban on a certain gun or guns in general isn't likely and that it is a better use of political momentum to engage in support of the possible. I worked for over a year (including the 2016 election season) in a rural area of Western PA. I often discussed ideas of politics with people there. I believe it will be more fruitful in future elections to support basic and unarguable regulations that everyone on both sides of this issue can embrace.
Demanding that AR-15s be banned only creates more enemies for Democrats.
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A pro-gun Democrat could win in Trump country. Where does that leave gun control activism? [View all]
LAGC
Mar 2018
OP
When 600,000 students and countless millions of others walk out tomorrow at 10:00 AM
ffr
Mar 2018
#1
Did countless millions and 600,000 students walk out yesterday as you predicted? If not, exactly...
Marengo
Mar 2018
#9
i dont see any reference to countless millions in that article, neither is there a source...
Marengo
Mar 2018
#12
Are you claiming youre not wrong on predicting countless millions would walk out?
Marengo
Mar 2018
#14
Ummm, you made the claim countless millions would walk out. Where is the evidence this happened?
Marengo
Mar 2018
#17
I see it's now post #11, the one that he replied to. But I rebut your straw man conclusion.
ffr
Mar 2018
#24
Youre right, you cant move on as you have nothing to back the prediction countless millions
Marengo
Mar 2018
#28
Do you think it's ridiculous of me to ask that you provide basis for your rebuttal?
ffr
Mar 2018
#30
LOL! Just as I expected. Im still waiting for a source proving your prediction that countless...
Marengo
Mar 2018
#33
I think you've revealed more about yourself than you intended, with that post
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2018
#20
what is said and done during a campaign usually doesn't lead to same policies once in office
beachbum bob
Mar 2018
#26