Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Once again, the VPC hopes you are both easily frightened and poor at math [View all]jimmy the one
(2,720 posts)f icon: according VPC, concealed carriers are responsible for 357 deaths over the last three years, or 119 a year.
what VPC said, specifying legality: Violence Policy Center has uncovered hundreds of examples of non-self defense incidents involving private citizens legally allowed to carry concealed handguns.
icon: ..concealed handgun permit holders in the US is {approx} 11.1 million .. we see that 119/11100000 = a murder rate of 0.93 per 100,000 permit holders, a rate about one-fifth of the US population as a whole
Since you are referring to legal ccw carriers using a firearm to kill, you need compare with firearm related homicide in the US as a whole, shouldn't you? so it's about 0.93/3.43 (2014) or 0.93/3.61 if accidental, or about 1 in 4, not 1 in 5.
Unless of course, which may be, vpc includes ccw killers not using a firearm, in which case your 1 in 5 is valid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
icon: Doing the math, and according to the VPC, concealed carriers are responsible for 357 deaths over the last three years, or 119 a year.
Pls explain where you get the figure 357, I'm not following you on that.
icon: we see that 119/11100000 = a murder rate of 0.93 per 100,000 permit holders, a rate about one-fifth of the US population as a whole
Your blunder this time, icon, is that you are including the criminal element in your figures, & comparing that to LEGAL gun owners. The US population as a whole is not criminal. You are essentially saying that legal ccwr's commit murder at 20% the rate of legal gun owners plus criminals.
If half those murders are done by criminals from the git go, you need exclude them, & the proper comparison is ccwr's to murders committed by legal gun owners at the time of crime. Otherwise you are comparing legal ccw gun owners to criminals, & of course criminals would be worse offenders, but what's the point? one side is good guys with gun, other bad guys with gun. I would hope it would be 1 for every 25 or 100, not just 1 in 5.
You need compare homicide by legal ccw'rs to firearm homicide by legal 'gun owners', or compare to overall homicide by everyone, both when including & excluding the criminal element.
Rough estimate would be 1.7 per 100k done by legal beagles, so your comparison of 0.93 ccwr's with legal gun owners is about 60%, better, but what does that say about gun owners not ccw'g? You're robbing gun toting peter to pay gun toting paul.
I think the better comparison is legal ccw homicide rate to non gun owner homicide rate, go fetch.
icon: Now comes the part where the wheels fall off the panic mongering.
The wheels didn't fall off the vpc locomotive; it's more like your train, icon, doesn't really have an engine.