Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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37. Beg your pardon?

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 02:10 PM

Mar 2016

They have a right to self defense, but they are putting me in harm's way by giving them guns. Taking away guns does not mean you lose your right to self defense.

It does if you're -- repeat after me -- weak, elderly and infirm.

Of course I'm not saying the country is awash in guns because of seniors. Don't take me for stupid, what in the actual fuck...

Really? Then who is the "they" in your statements below?

And they gladly put me in harm's way to have theirs. Doesn't sound like they're being any less self absorbed.

So what? It's easy to get a gun through a straw purchase, a shady dealer, or stealing one BECAUSE THE COUNTRY IS AWASH in guns.

So what? So if the bulk of the crime problem is caused by people who are already banned from owning guns, making all gun ownership illegal will have little effect on it.

When they still a gun or buy a gun for $1000 it's no big deal. If the act of carrying a gun was a felony criminal offense, guess how much black market guns would cost? It would be about $30,000 (what they are in Australia).

News flash: the act of carrying a gun is already a felony criminal offense, unless you are licensed or live in a state that allows permitless concealed carry. And for those with prior convictions, it's always a felony offense.

If you're contemplating an Australian-style "buyback" (misnamed because the government didn't own those guns in the first place), then I wish you good luck in embarking on the most expensive, difficult, and socially divisive enterprise this county has seen since Prohibition. And we all know how that turned out ...

In any case, the Australian model is not the runaway success that gun controllers often assume (or pretend) it is.

Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country’s underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade.

Previously unseen police statistics show that the number of pistol-related offences doubled in Victoria and rose by 300 per cent in New South Wales. At least two other states also saw a massive jump in firearms-related offences during the same period.

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/11/10/australias-secret-gun-problem-exposed/

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