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Human101948

(3,457 posts)
8. You loves your own myths...
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:00 PM
Mar 2016

Please provide a source, a study, any credible information about how many DGU there are that are not estimates based on guesses from gun promoters like Lott.

Despite his admission that he cannot document his 1997 survey, Lott continues to discuss the alleged findings from that project as if they are acceptable as statistical evidence. (See “What Surveys Can Help Us Understand About Guns?” cited earlier.) It appears that he has learned nothing from his critics about the ethical requirements of the scientific enterprise. So it is time for Lott’s supporters to advise him that his best course of action now is to retract his claims concerning the 1997 survey. Say-so and “recall” that gets more elaborate as time goes by are simply not acceptable. And it is long past time for him to retract his manifestly false allegations about what other investigators have found. His failure to do so is much more reprehensible than the Mary Rosh foolishness.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2003/04/10/duncan3/


In 1992, Gary Kleck and Marc Getz, criminologists at Florida State University, conducted a random digit-dial survey to establish the annual number of defensive gun uses in the United States. They surveyed 5,000 individuals, asking them if they had used a firearm in self-defense in the past year and, if so, for what reason and to what effect. Sixty-six incidences of defensive gun use were reported from the sample. The researchers then extrapolated their findings to the entire U.S. population, resulting in an estimate of between 1 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year.

The claim has since become gospel for gun advocates and is frequently touted by the National Rifle Association, pro-gun scholars such as John Lott and conservative politicians. The argument typically goes something like this: Guns are used defensively “over 2 million times every year—five times more frequently than the 430,000 times guns were used to commit crimes.” Or, as Gun Owners of America states, “firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.” Former Republican Sen. Rick Santorum has frequently opined on the benefits of defensive gun use, explaining: “In fact, there are millions of lives that are saved in America every year, or millions of instances like that where gun owners have prevented crimes and stopped things from happening because of having guns at the scene.”

It may sound reassuring, but is utterly false. In fact, gun owners are far more likely to end up like Theodore Wafer or Eusebio Christian, accidentally shooting an innocent person or seeing their weapons harm a family member, than be heroes warding off criminals.

http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-the-defensive-gun-use-myth/

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Already posted Human101948 Mar 2016 #1
Thanks TeddyR Mar 2016 #3
It was canned in that other forum because it showed the Second in a good light.NT Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #28
Don't take a hatchet to a gun fight. NaturalHigh Mar 2016 #2
Is anybody keeping score? Nitram Mar 2016 #4
Thats the "shots fired/body count fallacy". beevul Mar 2016 #5
Nah, Gun Owner Shaming is the only objective, not reality DonP Mar 2016 #6
You loves your own myths... Human101948 Mar 2016 #8
what neither of those bloggers mention gejohnston Mar 2016 #10
The man is a fraud...there are no believable peer reviews... Human101948 Mar 2016 #11
I wasn't talking about Lott gejohnston Mar 2016 #12
It's easy to dismiss Lott's work... Human101948 Mar 2016 #13
...but not at all easy to dismiss Kleck's. I take it that's why you're focusing on Lott? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #15
I doubt you read the study gejohnston Mar 2016 #18
+1. Eliding inconvenient facts is stock-in-trade for gun control advocates friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #14
Kleck sounds like a fraud as well... Human101948 Mar 2016 #16
According to an economist and an investment banker: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #17
read Kleck's study gejohnston Mar 2016 #19
Only if Mother Jones reads it and somebody drafts a Cliff's Notes version DonP Mar 2016 #20
I doubt our interlocutor will be replying- chronic factose intolerance again... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #21
They have their "Facts" and they cling to them like Gospel DonP Mar 2016 #22
Haha! Very clever! Human101948 Mar 2016 #26
You're the one that abandoned your declared academic standards when it suited you friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #29
Hard to reply to someone who knows it all... Human101948 Mar 2016 #25
Don't claim to know it all, just more than you DonP Mar 2016 #27
Nothing wrong with counting. Try it. nm Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #7
We don't need no stinkin' facts! Nitram Mar 2016 #9
Stupid hurts. ileus Mar 2016 #23
Is carrying a hatchet legal? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #24
Sure it is legal. ManiacJoe Mar 2016 #30
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