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jimmy the one

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34. yes you are contradictory, & misleading
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:48 AM
Nov 2015

beevul: Yes, every year, 99.9x percent of those who own guns do not use them to commit gun violence.
Every year 99.9x percent of guns are not used to commit gun violence.
Theres nothing contradictory to that,


Yes, what you say is contradictory to your signature line. You need to tack on 'per yer' or 'annually' so as to clarify your sig line, or you will be posting a contradiction to reality.

beevul's signature line: 99.9 percent of gun owners do not shoot or kill anyone. Focus on the .1 percent who misuse guns, and leave the rest of us who don't, and our guns, the hell alone. Member of the 99.9 percent

What your sig line contends is that of the approx 80 million gun owners, only 0.1% of them, or 80,000 gun owners, have ever shot or killed anyone. That is not true. There are likely a couple million existing gun owners in the US today, who have wounded or killed someone with a gun, whether intentionally or unintentionally.
Indeed, the total number of firearm deaths & nonfatal firearm woundings & failed suicide attempts & accidental fatalities & woundings far surpasses the 80,000 gun owners as per beevul's contention:

The rates of firearms deaths in the U.S. vary significantly by race and sex. The U.S. national average was 10.2 deaths per 100,000 population in 2009. The highest rate was 28.4/100,000 for African-American males, more than quadruple the rate of 6.3/100,000 for white males. (CDC, 2009)
The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care.
http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html

Taking into account multiple shootings or woundings by gun owners, it's still going to be higher than 80,000 for all gun owners than beevul contends. Couple million gun owners in the US have shot or wounded someone with their firearm.

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The truth about guns and self-defense [View all] SecularMotion Nov 2015 OP
So here's why I question this TeddyR Nov 2015 #1
What percent of "80 million Americans who keep guns in the home" are criminals? SecularMotion Nov 2015 #3
If you had your way... krispos42 Nov 2015 #9
Hah! Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #12
Thanks anyways but I'll keep my rights to self defense... ileus Nov 2015 #2
Math issues sarisataka Nov 2015 #4
Something I was told MANY MANY years ago and always will be true. napi21 Nov 2015 #5
IMHO the most under discussed part of personal security is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #8
remember folks: "the killing of a felon... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #6
The irony. Gun-banners demand corpses as the basis for analysis. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #13
Doesn't include non-lethal DGUs. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #7
They never do, the numbers don't look good when it's included DonP Nov 2015 #10
We owe the OP a debt for keeping our media literacy skills sharp friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #15
Check the dates too DonP Nov 2015 #18
".........that turns out to be a pro second amendment story." pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #28
I think it has more to do with having more of his posts up in our group DonP Nov 2015 #30
Well here's an example of a DGU... Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #11
Update on shooting of nursing mother... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #16
Thanks for the update, Eleanors38! I was in the process of looking Ghost in the Machine Nov 2015 #17
Our rights aren't determined by statistics. beevul Nov 2015 #14
It's not about the statistics, it's about shaming DonP Nov 2015 #19
Good point. Our rights aren't determined by shaming. beevul Nov 2015 #20
It might bother me ... if they were in the least bit effective DonP Nov 2015 #21
Speaking of Ms Watts... beevul Nov 2015 #22
I guess the ones killed by suicide bombers at the stadium are out of luck as far as she's concerned DonP Nov 2015 #23
All that, plus... beevul Nov 2015 #24
AFAIC they can continue to shame all they want -- the more the better. pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #29
rights aren't determined by statistics, yet.... jimmy the one Nov 2015 #32
Yes, every year... beevul Nov 2015 #33
yes you are contradictory, & misleading jimmy the one Nov 2015 #34
Well, whaddya know...self-reporting of defensive gun use is unreliable... Marengo Nov 2015 #25
Yeah, its funny how selective some folks are about things like that. beevul Nov 2015 #26
Let's all be sure to ask them about the discrepancy when the opportunity presents... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #27
What makes that opinion piece worth reading? ManiacJoe Nov 2015 #31
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