Gun Control & RKBA

sarisataka

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31. The point has been made many times

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 12:49 AM

Nov 2015

that not every self defense use results in a fatality. If fact, using data from the VPC I calculated:

1. The murderous vigilante meme is fantasy. The number of justifiable homicides is very low in any given year and roughly .327% of DGUs result in fatalities.
2. Guns are often used defensively; 7.98 times more often than used to commit criminal homicide.
You can check my calculations here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172179310

If confiscation ever came true and we saved 30,000 deaths (an impossible 100%) we would see a potential 240,000 additional crime victims. Is that what you support?

Yet you are so horrified by the violence, you would see more deaths to end it. If even 1 in 20 gun owners had a family member killed, as you wish, we are still talking Holocaust numbers of dead...

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Everytown television ad has opposite effect on The View (Oldie But Goodie) [View all] Kang Colby Nov 2015 OP

And of course, no kid ever finds the parent's gun and shoots SheilaT Nov 2015 #1

Several times every week? GGJohn Nov 2015 #2

Actually, I did exaggerate. But it is about once a week. SheilaT Nov 2015 #4

Thank you, and I agree, GGJohn Nov 2015 #8

No, that's not OK, SheilaT. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #3

By "around here" I'm guessing you mean in your house. SheilaT Nov 2015 #5

Have you seen the statistics? Kang Colby Nov 2015 #10

Okay, so only 70 kids under age 15 died from SheilaT Nov 2015 #12

False. 30,000 includes suicides. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #13

the 30K is counting gejohnston Nov 2015 #14

And of course it's all okay. SheilaT Nov 2015 #17

You wish that one of my family members were killed because GGJohn Nov 2015 #18

Do you even get it that real people are killed every single day with firearms? SheilaT Nov 2015 #19

What's really sick, besides your wishing that a family member were killed by a firearm, GGJohn Nov 2015 #20

Umm, how did I lie about you? SheilaT Nov 2015 #26

You lied about my not caring about people being killed, GGJohn Nov 2015 #28

If you support the current state of guns, then you really don't care that much SheilaT Nov 2015 #30

.... GGJohn Nov 2015 #35

If you are interested only in gun centric solutions... beevul Nov 2015 #38

You really need to seek help with this sick fantasy of yours' GGJohn Nov 2015 #22

If I understand you... sarisataka Nov 2015 #21

More die from "accidents" or from suicide or or murdered SheilaT Nov 2015 #27

The point has been made many times sarisataka Nov 2015 #31

I know. Such a shame. Can't do anything about it. SheilaT Nov 2015 #32

Many times sarisataka Nov 2015 #33

And I did notice sarisataka Nov 2015 #36

If you want the help of people who own guns, to solve this problem... beevul Nov 2015 #39

"I really do wish, that all of those who justify the guns would themselves personally lose someone.. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #23

What's even sicker is thinking that SheilaT Nov 2015 #29

If there's a gun in the house the chance that someone will die from that gun is remarkably large. gejohnston Nov 2015 #34

Firstly, I don't own a gun. Secondly, just who are you to declare what others need? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #40

*You* are the person expressing a desire that others die in order to teach a 'lesson' friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #41

we can go door to door gejohnston Nov 2015 #25

No. Its the price you pay for being interested in only gun related solutions... beevul Nov 2015 #37

Thoughts... benEzra Nov 2015 #16

Proves just how out of touch with reality "a couple of towns for gun bans" really are.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #6

62x39...shoots real fine. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #7

It was an Egyptian Maadi... virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #9

That's a nice firearm. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #11

This may lean a little toward CP politics, but concerning Bloomberg... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #15

Eroding Democratic presence in politics may not be his wish, but his actions are helping... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #24