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Rowdyboy

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20. There was an honest to God Viking beserker called Ivar the Boneless....
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 06:50 PM
Feb 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivar_the_Boneless

There is some disagreement as to the meaning of Ivar's epithet "the Boneless" (inn Beinlausi) in the sagas. Some have suggested it was a euphemism for impotence or even a snake metaphor (he had a brother named Snake-in-the-Eye). It may have referred to an incredible physical flexibility; Ivar was a renowned warrior, and perhaps this limberness gave rise to the popular notion that he was "boneless". The poem "Háttalykill inn forni" describes Ivar as being "without any bones at all".

Alternatively, the English word "bone" is cognate with the German word "Bein", meaning "leg". Scandinavian sources mention Ivar the Boneless as being borne on a shield by his warriors. Some have speculated that this was because he could not walk and perhaps his epithet simply meant "legless"—perhaps literally or perhaps simply because he was lame. Other sources from this period, however, mention chieftains being carried on the shields of enemies after victory, not because of any infirmity.

“ Of historical personages the author knows of only one of whom we have a vague suspicion that he suffered from osteogenesis imperfecta, namely Ivar Benløs, eldest son of the Danish legendary king Regnar Lodbrog. He is reported to have had legs as soft as cartilage ('he lacked bones'), so that he was unable to walk and had to be carried about on a shield.[9] ”

There are less extreme forms of this disease where the person affected can lack use of their legs but otherwise be unaffected, as may have been the case for Ivar the Boneless. In 2003 Nabil Shaban, a disability rights advocate with osteogenesis imperfecta, made the documentary The Strangest Viking for Channel 4's Secret History, in which he explored the possibility that Ivar the Boneless may have had the same condition as himself. It also demonstrated that someone with the condition was quite capable of using a longbow, such that Ivar could have taken part in battle, as Viking society would have expected a leader to do.


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History is so cool. nt BootinUp Feb 2014 #1
Excellent news, my dear Rowdyboy! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2014 #2
Grandpa, they found you! Zen Democrat Feb 2014 #3
Including a friend of mine I'll see tomorrow.... Rowdyboy Feb 2014 #4
Yup, Sherman A1 Feb 2014 #10
Think you are correct unc70 Feb 2014 #11
I would say so. I believe I am. nt silvershadow Feb 2014 #12
Certainly everyone with any Caucasian blood probably is GeoWilliam750 Feb 2014 #21
So, at least part of Charlemagne was buried in Charlemagne's tomb HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #5
Here's the only explanation I can find..... Rowdyboy Feb 2014 #7
Thanks. HereSince1628 Feb 2014 #8
Charles the Magnificent. Now there's a nickname to envy. tclambert Feb 2014 #6
I had a flash back.... AnneD Feb 2014 #13
I kept thinking of that, too. tclambert Feb 2014 #16
There's a T.C. Boyle story thucythucy Feb 2014 #19
There was an honest to God Viking beserker called Ivar the Boneless.... Rowdyboy Feb 2014 #20
That's pretty amazing! thucythucy Feb 2014 #22
my friend is named Zoltifar the Magnificent and Untamed. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #24
heeeeeeeee! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #27
Ever read any T. C. Boyle? thucythucy Mar 2018 #29
My kind of king packman Feb 2014 #9
Huh? not mine *killed all non christians to create a christian kingdom lunasun Feb 2014 #17
Looking at Middle Age packman Feb 2014 #18
Our modern popular image of Medieval monarchs pretty much comes from him. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #23
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Bender was the first thing to pop into my head... Lawlbringer Feb 2014 #14
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