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aint_no_life_nowhere

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11. I agree with those who think intelligent space-faring civilizations are exceedingly rare
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:56 PM
Apr 2014

if they exist at all. Finding planets that could likely support some kind of life is probably hard. Finding planets with intelligent life is probably very, very hard to find. In the 4 billion years of Earth's history, intelligent human life has been here on the planet (that we know) only for the tiniest fraction of time. Finding planets with intelligent life that have managed to become space-faring cultures on a grand galaxy wide scale is probably quite rare.

But there only has to be one. The Milky Way has existed for over 13 billion years. There are more than 300 billion stars in the Milky Way. I'm not a mathematician but I would guess that there would be at least a very, very likely chance of at least one very advanced, very old civilization among the billions of possibilities. One intelligent civilization more than a billion years old might have had time to evolve into that Type III civilization according to the Kardashev scale, the one that Michio Kaku and many other scientists describe as one that has harnessed extreme types of energy such as a Dyson sphere (harnessing the energy of a star) and even of a supermassive black hole. That level of energy would probably allow for space travel approaching the speed of light and many other things we haven't dreamed of. Members of such a civilization probably would have long shed their organic bodies and done away with such things as lungs, a heart, and a circulatory system as it allows only life in a very narrow zone and is too prone to dangers and inefficiencies. Those beings probably long-ago melded with and evolved into machines and the machines themselves resemble organic structures, not rigid and heavy metallic structures, but flexible, lightweight, and adaptable and self-regenerating (like organic skin, muscle, and bone) bodies. The members of such a society may have become virtually immortal and may have evolved into a group mind, no longer existing as independent thinking entities. Space-faring cultures of a billion years of age and more would probably have long left their original planet and found themselves at home in deep space. Such old cultures would long ago have set about to exploring all parts of the galaxy and, given the exponential spread of their kind over a very long period of time, eventually made their way to all 300 billion stars of the Milky Way.

I think it's very likely that at least one such old and very advanced civilization exists and that it have spread throughout the galaxy just as humankind has spread throughout planet Earth. My doubt however is that they have actually come to Earth, although they would surely be aware of it. That's why I marked "not sure".

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All of the intelligent aliens that exist are here now. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #1
I disagree. nt darkangel218 Apr 2014 #2
I had to choose "never" since "unlikely" wasn't an option n/t arcane1 Apr 2014 #3
Given the vastness of space, I doubt it. nt rrneck Apr 2014 #4
I vote for: We have met the alien and he is us William Seger Apr 2014 #5
No idea maddezmom Apr 2014 #6
Seems very unlikely, but what do I know? nt ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #7
We are frogmarch Apr 2014 #8
I'd say it's possible, JoeyT Apr 2014 #9
Extremely unlikely cpwm17 Apr 2014 #10
That's assuming life is planet bound /nt demwing Feb 2015 #22
I agree with those who think intelligent space-faring civilizations are exceedingly rare aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2014 #11
The question was "species", not "intelligent life" jberryhill Apr 2014 #12
Wouldn't it go without saying that they are intelligent if they've made it to Earth? aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2014 #15
I did not see that as a necessary implication of the question jberryhill Apr 2014 #16
It's how I interpreted the question aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2014 #17
Alien species of what? jberryhill Apr 2014 #13
I voted not sure shanemcg Apr 2014 #14
If... WovenGems Jul 2014 #18
I love the idea. Quantess Feb 2015 #19
given the number of UFOs I have personally seen BobbyBoring Feb 2015 #20
They, too, would need to survive passage through the radiation fields surrounding Earth frankfacts Feb 2015 #21
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