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In reply to the discussion: Here's a correction OP for 50 Reasons, 50 Years OP [View all]William Seger
(11,149 posts)148. Yeaaaaaah, THAT'S the ticket
... except of course that neither Bell nor anyone else ever said there was a bullet removed from the thigh wound.
According to the physician who attended to the thigh wound, Shires:
Date: 11-22-63
Pre-Operative Diagnosis: Gunshot Wound, Right Chest, Right Wrist, Left Thigh
Post-Operative Diagnosis: Same
Operation: Exploration and Debridement of Gunshot Wound of Left Thigh. This portion of the operation is involved only with the operation on the left thigh. The chest injury has been dictated by Dr. Shaw, the orthopedic injury to the arm by Dr. Gregory.
Began: 16:00 Ended: 16:20
Anesthetic: General Began: 13:00
Anesthesiologist: Giesecke
Surgeon: Dr. Shires
Assistants: Drs. McClelland, Baxter, and Patmen
Scrub Nurse: Oliver
Circ. Nurse: Deming and Schroeder
Sponge Counts: 1st Correct, PS
Notes:
There was a 1 cm. punctate missile wound over the juncture of the middle and lower third, medial aspect, of the left thigh. X-rays of the thigh and leg revealed a bullet fragment which was imbedded in the body of the femur in the distal third. The leg was prepared with Phisohex and I. O. Prep and was draped in the usual fashion.
Following this the missile wound was excised and the bullet tract was explored. The missile wound was seen to course through the subcutaneous fat and into the vastus medialis. The necrotic fat and muscle were debrided down to the region of the femur. The direction of the missile wound was judged not to be in the course of the femoral vessal, since the wound was distal and anterior to Hunter's canal. Following complete debridement of the wound and irrigation with saline, the wound was felt to be adequately debrided enough so that three simple through-and through, stainless steel Aloe #28 wire sutures were used encompassing skin, subcutaneous tissue, and muscle fascia on both sides. Following this a sterile dressing was applied. The dorsalis pedis and posterior tibial pulses in both legs were quite good. The thoracic procedure had been completed at this time, the debridement of the compound fracture in the arm was still in progress at the time this soft tissue injury repair was completed.
Pre-Operative Diagnosis: Gunshot Wound, Right Chest, Right Wrist, Left Thigh
Post-Operative Diagnosis: Same
Operation: Exploration and Debridement of Gunshot Wound of Left Thigh. This portion of the operation is involved only with the operation on the left thigh. The chest injury has been dictated by Dr. Shaw, the orthopedic injury to the arm by Dr. Gregory.
Began: 16:00 Ended: 16:20
Anesthetic: General Began: 13:00
Anesthesiologist: Giesecke
Surgeon: Dr. Shires
Assistants: Drs. McClelland, Baxter, and Patmen
Scrub Nurse: Oliver
Circ. Nurse: Deming and Schroeder
Sponge Counts: 1st Correct, PS
Notes:
There was a 1 cm. punctate missile wound over the juncture of the middle and lower third, medial aspect, of the left thigh. X-rays of the thigh and leg revealed a bullet fragment which was imbedded in the body of the femur in the distal third. The leg was prepared with Phisohex and I. O. Prep and was draped in the usual fashion.
Following this the missile wound was excised and the bullet tract was explored. The missile wound was seen to course through the subcutaneous fat and into the vastus medialis. The necrotic fat and muscle were debrided down to the region of the femur. The direction of the missile wound was judged not to be in the course of the femoral vessal, since the wound was distal and anterior to Hunter's canal. Following complete debridement of the wound and irrigation with saline, the wound was felt to be adequately debrided enough so that three simple through-and through, stainless steel Aloe #28 wire sutures were used encompassing skin, subcutaneous tissue, and muscle fascia on both sides. Following this a sterile dressing was applied. The dorsalis pedis and posterior tibial pulses in both legs were quite good. The thoracic procedure had been completed at this time, the debridement of the compound fracture in the arm was still in progress at the time this soft tissue injury repair was completed.
Apparently, Bell was under the impression that one of the tiny fragments she gave Nolan was from the thigh wound -- i.e. the tiny fragment seen in an X-ray -- but there is no record that that fragment was actually removed. Bell was not in a position to have direct knowledge of whether or not it was, so she may have simply assumed it was. Perhaps it was, but trying to claim it was anything near a whole bullet is beyond disingenuous, and I have think you know that.
Once again, when challenged to prove any claim that would be conclusive of a conspiracy, if you respond at all, you seem to think bullshit is an adequate substitute. No, it is not.
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Thanks for posting, I watched the first 9 videos from the links in your earlier posts.
eomer
Feb 2013
#1
Episode Three: Bill Simpich speculates that Oswald was part of "false defector" program
William Seger
Feb 2013
#13
Episode Five: John Armstrong again, speculating about "two Oswalds" again
William Seger
Feb 2013
#16
On posting the videos as they come out each week, and on your being blocked for it...
eomer
Feb 2013
#7
I followed the discussion and I thank you for having, by far, the more reasonable approach.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2013
#14
It would appear that the poll speaks for who's more interested in the videos...
MrMickeysMom
Mar 2013
#19
Clicking on your posts, hoping that maybe this time there will be something
William Seger
Apr 2013
#86
"...but the single-bullet theory remains the best explanation of the facts."
MrMickeysMom
Apr 2013
#87
c) Seger dismisses information on Oswald's history and background as unsubstantial
William Seger
Mar 2013
#30
The minutes of the first Commission meeting, and I provided the link (n/t)
William Seger
Apr 2013
#81
Baloney. It's not a "rhetorical device" to demand FACT-based DEDUCTIVE reasoning
William Seger
Mar 2013
#56
I have only watched the first first video and half of the second, so they might address that point.
ZombieHorde
Apr 2013
#103
Well, I suppose the earth being round remains a point of contention since some believe it is flat...
zappaman
Apr 2013
#111
In other words, Fiester has NO CLUE the 2.5" forward head-snap even happened
William Seger
Apr 2013
#123
What's refuted is your bizarre interpretation of "contemporary ballistic science"
William Seger
Apr 2013
#143
I really don't understand why you keep responding if that's the best you can do
William Seger
Apr 2013
#155