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In reply to the discussion: Martin Sheen: 9/11 Questions 'Unanswered,' Building 7 'Very Suspicious' [View all]ocpagu
(1,954 posts)52. You have no answers.
So, you do understand why the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapsed, so you don't have any sympathy for people who claimed it must have been sabotaged? That's good.
I see you're not able to keep a discussion without putting other words in people's mouths. Present me evidence that there are still people who believe the bridge was sabotaged and then, perhaps, you may have a point.
Um, you're supposed to say, there's no example of a highrise collapsing completely due to fire, since there's at least one example of a highrise collapsing partially due to fire -- the steel part, actually. But even with that qualification, the Windsor Tower fire shoots a gaping hole in your argument.
And again, anyone can see that the parcial collapse of Windsor Tower does not resemble WTC at all. In any aspect. It only reinforces the notion that the official explanation is wrong. Windsor Tower's collapse was not symmetrical, "controlled demolition"-style of collapse.
Total bullshit. There is exactly zero prior "empirical data" about towers like WTC1 and 2 getting hit by 767s flying flat-out, or buildings constructed like WTC7 sustaining a 7-hour unfought fire. If you don't understand why that matters, I can't help you.
It doesn't matter if the building was hit by a plane or a giant rabbit, it can not escape from laws of physics. And what you said about the no-existence of empirical data about a 7-hour fire is a barefaced lie.
The building was not designed to withstand thermal expansion or progressive collapse -- that's a fact, Jack, not a matter of subjective opinion.
There's no such a thing as a "building not being designed to withstand thermal expansion or progressive collapse", that's just NIST lousy justification for this fairy-tale.
Actually, it consists of several "factual organizations" (such as ASCE) who do things like publish peer-reviewed journals (such as the Journal of Engineering Mechanics) and hold technical conferences and otherwise discuss technical issues amongst themselves. If the NIST theory was really an "exotic report defying logic and physics" an engineer could make quite a name for himself by publishing a journal or conference paper proving it. Where is it?
Who are these "factual organizations"? What are their names? And what makes these organizations the official representative of the "engineering community"? They are all American organizations? There are no international organizations that make part of this "engineering community"? Really, it's not clear to me.
"Yes I can."
No, you can't. So far you have... ASCE. You'll need A LOT MORE than that to convince me that you're really talking about a REAL "engineering community".
I can do better than that: I can prove that the NIST theory is evidence-based, logical, and technically sound
I've seen you trying to do that several times, but so far you failed. Don't know why you wouldn't fail again.
I see you're not able to keep a discussion without putting other words in people's mouths. Present me evidence that there are still people who believe the bridge was sabotaged and then, perhaps, you may have a point.
Um, you're supposed to say, there's no example of a highrise collapsing completely due to fire, since there's at least one example of a highrise collapsing partially due to fire -- the steel part, actually. But even with that qualification, the Windsor Tower fire shoots a gaping hole in your argument.
And again, anyone can see that the parcial collapse of Windsor Tower does not resemble WTC at all. In any aspect. It only reinforces the notion that the official explanation is wrong. Windsor Tower's collapse was not symmetrical, "controlled demolition"-style of collapse.
Total bullshit. There is exactly zero prior "empirical data" about towers like WTC1 and 2 getting hit by 767s flying flat-out, or buildings constructed like WTC7 sustaining a 7-hour unfought fire. If you don't understand why that matters, I can't help you.
It doesn't matter if the building was hit by a plane or a giant rabbit, it can not escape from laws of physics. And what you said about the no-existence of empirical data about a 7-hour fire is a barefaced lie.
The building was not designed to withstand thermal expansion or progressive collapse -- that's a fact, Jack, not a matter of subjective opinion.
There's no such a thing as a "building not being designed to withstand thermal expansion or progressive collapse", that's just NIST lousy justification for this fairy-tale.
Actually, it consists of several "factual organizations" (such as ASCE) who do things like publish peer-reviewed journals (such as the Journal of Engineering Mechanics) and hold technical conferences and otherwise discuss technical issues amongst themselves. If the NIST theory was really an "exotic report defying logic and physics" an engineer could make quite a name for himself by publishing a journal or conference paper proving it. Where is it?
Who are these "factual organizations"? What are their names? And what makes these organizations the official representative of the "engineering community"? They are all American organizations? There are no international organizations that make part of this "engineering community"? Really, it's not clear to me.
"Yes I can."
No, you can't. So far you have... ASCE. You'll need A LOT MORE than that to convince me that you're really talking about a REAL "engineering community".
I can do better than that: I can prove that the NIST theory is evidence-based, logical, and technically sound
I've seen you trying to do that several times, but so far you failed. Don't know why you wouldn't fail again.
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Martin Sheen: 9/11 Questions 'Unanswered,' Building 7 'Very Suspicious' [View all]
Little Star
Nov 2012
OP
There seems to be quite an obvious discrepancy between "no-planer" claims and reality
William Seger
Feb 2013
#14
I don't need an expert to tell me that a Boeing 757 can't convert into a 20 in alluminium piece.
ocpagu
Feb 2013
#41
Didn't a turbofan powered plane go over 750 mph at less than 1000 feet back in the 1950's?
Make7
Feb 2013
#76
"Please understand that you're not the first person to have raised this poorly-supported claim"
ocpagu
Feb 2013
#70
Your inability to figure out what happened to the plane doesn't prove anything
William Seger
Feb 2013
#63
The same can be said about your inability to explain what happened to the plane.
ocpagu
Feb 2013
#69
Have you ever seen the remains of a NASCAR vehicle after hitting a wall at 1/3 the speed of this
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#100
What's that have to do with your assertion that the black boxes were not found?
zappaman
Feb 2013
#85
But I said, "the only known example of a bridge collapsing in a 40 mph wind"
William Seger
Feb 2013
#36
Bazant doesn't actually use any estimate of the acceleration in his analysis
William Seger
May 2013
#98