Israel/Palestine

Beastly Boy

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14. What is erroneous about my claim as to the US/French role?

Thu Dec 5, 2024, 08:15 AM

Dec 5

My claim:

The committee you are referring to is not a committee, the role of the US and France are not its only members, the US and France are not there to enforce any terms of the cease fire agreement, therefore the non-commission is not behind the curve in enforcing anything,

The questions you have about the extent of US involvement in Lebanon, the reasons for it, the allocation of resources for the enforcement of the agreement, the deployment and the constitution of personnel, the rules of engagement, the commencement date of the cease fire, as well as several other topics, are all spelled out in the cease fire agreement or, in a few instances, referred by the text of the agreement to UN Resolution 1701.

The US/French role, as described in the cease fire agreement:

the United States of America and France understand that Lebanon and Israel seek a sustainable end to the current escalation of hostilities across the Blue Line and are each prepared to take steps to promote conditions for a permanent and comprehensive solution.

and

The US and France intend to work within the Military Technical Committee for Lebanon (MTC4L) to enable and achieve a total LAF deployment of 10,000 soldiers to southern Lebanon as soon as possible. Further, the US and France intend to work with the international community to support the LAF as appropriate to achieve such an increase in its deployment levels in Lebanon, and to improve its capabilities... The reformulated and enhanced Mechanism, hosted by Unifil, chaired by the US, and including France, will monitor, verify, and assist in ensuring enforcement of these commitments.

and

Israel and Lebanon request that the US – with the partnership of the UN – facilitate indirect negotiations between Israel and Lebanon with the objective of resolving remaining disputed points along the Blue Line, consistent with resolution 1701.

The US and France understand that the above commitments will be accepted by Israel and Lebanon concurrently with this announcement.

These commitments strive to enable civilians on both sides of the Blue Line to return safely to their lands and homes. The US and France further intend to lead international efforts to support capacity-building and economic development throughout Lebanon to advance stability and prosperity in this region.

These are the only parts of the agreement that mention US and/or France and the extent of their roles with respect to the agreement. Point out any specific claim that I made which is erroneous with respect to the agreement. Just one. I dare ya!

You can't.

It is interesting that your posts are full of references to third parties reporting on the agreement, and not a single reference to the agreement itself. Why such reluctance to cite what's in the source and such reliance on the carefully curated snippets from third-hand media reports on the source? And why such determination to deflect from the source?

While the discrepancies between third-party reporting on the same matter are to be expected, no matter who the parties are, I never relied on those discrepancies, unlike yourself, to make my points. For this purpose, I use the original source absent of any interpretations. The reason I do this is because it is reliance on third parties for interpretations at the expense of the source that is a sign of intellectual insecurity, and I am surprised you brought the subject up considering your choices of references. It is as if you are interested in spurring all further discussions on the cease fire agreement entirely on the basis of examining tertiary reports of your choice rather than the original source itself.

Sorry, this approach will never produce a halfass objective examination or a worthwhile discussion of the issue. Not interested.

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Lebanon asked US, France to press Israel to halt truce breaches: Sources [View all] moniss Dec 3 OP

The headline and the carefully selected quotes do not begin to describe the content of the article. Beastly Boy Dec 3 #1

The quotes were selected to show the moniss Dec 3 #2

The "enforcement" you are talking about is the responsibility of the Government of Lebanon, Beastly Boy Dec 3 #3

If you read the article there is a side moniss Dec 3 #4

I read the article. There is no mention of any side agreement in it. Beastly Boy Dec 3 #5

All of the material inside of quotes moniss Dec 3 #6

Does this reply have anything to do with a side agreement you mentioned earlier? Beastly Boy Dec 3 #7

There is none so blind as the saying goes. nt moniss Dec 3 #8

...who will not see what is in the cease fire agreement before commenting on it? Is this how the saying goes? Beastly Boy Dec 3 #9

Alarabiya is a questionable right wing source. lapucelle Dec 3 #10

Once again I will point out for the moniss Dec 4 #11

The committee you are referring to is not a committee, the role of the US and Franceare not its only members, Beastly Boy Dec 4 #12

Your claim is erroneous as to the moniss Dec 5 #13

What is erroneous about my claim as to the US/French role? Beastly Boy Dec 5 #14

You don't have the moniss Dec 5 #15

What? Beastly Boy Dec 5 #16

There is none so blind as I said. moniss Dec 5 #17

Well, that's generic enough to signify inadequacy. Beastly Boy Dec 5 #18

Glad to help you on your path to improvment. nt moniss Dec 5 #19