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moniss

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21. No the ceasefire has been discussed in negotiations
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 10:58 PM
Jul 2024

as a scenario where a ceasefire happens in order to release the hostages and then once Hamas would do that then the ceasefire would continue as long as conditions are met and during that continuance of the ceasefire the "governing" portion is created. You can't release hostages into a full fledged fire-fight. Just like the last time. That is the scenario that the negotiators have been discussing. By your own statement you say "if Hamas keeps attacking, you bet he is not going to stop!" and my point is he is not saying that but rather is saying they must go period. So if Hamas stops all fighting but remains in Gaza is the scenario and he is consistent in saying he will not stop until they are gone not just until they stop fighting. That has been one of the major stumbling blocks in negotiations as to what that status of Hamas looks like. Remember that in the end the reality is the negotiation is between Israel and Hamas and what is the demand on one side is for the other to accept elimination from the area.

This is why I pointed out the real possibility of the "guerilla war from remote command" even if they are displaced to Qatar etc. That is one reason why that end phase negotiation after the hostages are released is so difficult. In order to have things completely end there cannot be a constant barrage of "pot shots" orchestrated from abroad. So in other words if Hamas leaves then what does anybody think they are going to do? Turn into a social club? If they physically remain in Gaza but with no military or political role does anybody really think they won't be working to do attacks etc. in the future? So the problem is how to structure a peace plan that is acceptable to the sides because it is not as simple as "just release the hostages and stop fighting". The PM has been on record many times saying they must go and he will not stop until they do. He was asked this specifically with regard to military operations.

Nearly every one of the negotiator statements has talked about the ceasefire as a multi-part matter. Different phases. Refer back to what Biden had said about a framework.

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And the horrendous injuries and murders of innocent children and others continue on a daily basis. Lonestarblue Jul 2024 #1
Until Hamas releases the hostages and stops bombing Israel, this will not stop. jimfields33 Jul 2024 #3
Netanyahu is on record saying he will not stop moniss Jul 2024 #4
We'll release the hostages and bring a chance of peace. It won't happen regardless without the release. jimfields33 Jul 2024 #5
Here is the most recent reference moniss Jul 2024 #6
I forgot one of the goals was to eradicate Hamas. They need to step down and then peace. jimfields33 Jul 2024 #7
No problem I just thought you would want moniss Jul 2024 #8
If all refugees are home and Hamas keeps attacking, you bet he is not going to stop! Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #12
That's not the take he has been moniss Jul 2024 #17
That doesn't make sense Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #18
No what I'm saying is moniss Jul 2024 #19
Then you must agree that Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #20
No the ceasefire has been discussed in negotiations moniss Jul 2024 #21
So far so good: two separate timeframes. Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #22
Yes exactly two conditional moniss Jul 2024 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #25
Then once again, you are agreeing with me that Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #26
Not at all. moniss Jul 2024 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #24
I'm not naive enough to believe Hamas is keeping those hostages safe. Omnipresent Jul 2024 #27
Is anyone doing anything to stop the terrorists from firing missiles from school grounds and refugee centers? Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #10
I bet the strike killed a guy with a rifle, so it's all cool to the folks who don't mind a bit of child murder ExciteBike66 Jul 2024 #2
If there is a guy with a rifle in a refugee area, WTF is he doing there? Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #11
There are guys with rifles in Tel Aviv too ExciteBike66 Jul 2024 #13
Tel Aviv is not an active war zone. Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #15
The article didnt say that did it? Eko Jul 2024 #29
The article didn't specify their age or gender either. Or whether they were human or not. Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #31
That is your argument for making things up? Eko Jul 2024 #32
No, that's my argument against concocting batshit ridiculous innuendo Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #34
What is obvious is you made up things to fit your own narrative Eko Jul 2024 #36
What aree legitimate Hamas military targets doing in schools that shelter refugees and Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #9
It is clear you have none. ExciteBike66 Jul 2024 #14
Getting personal, aren't we? Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #16
Why are you making things up? Eko Jul 2024 #30
What part did I make up? Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #33
You made up this part. Eko Jul 2024 #35
The article said exactly that, quoting IDF. Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #37
No you did not at all. Eko Jul 2024 #38
For your sake, please stop this nonsense. You are not even addressing what I posted anymore. Beastly Boy Jul 2024 #39
This is what you posted. Eko Jul 2024 #40
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