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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
18. I seems to me as if you're blaming the victims for their own misfortune.
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:26 AM
Jan 2017

The poverty and misery brought upon the Palestinians by the occupation make any kind of progress difficult. The Palestinians are just getting poorer as the settlements spread and prosper at their expense. The only way to turn things around is to alleviate the effects of the occupation. Until that happens, we will see more terrorist attacks in the future as they are a result of the negative effects of the occupation.

In the hope that you or someone else will actually read it, I'll cut and paste some links to the reports from various NGOs that clearly show that Israel is the problem, and it's not the Palestinians who are at fault for not trying to get their things together. Much of my own views on the viability of a Palestinian state and what could be done to take steps towards solving the I/P conflict are based on reports like these:

Economic monitoring report to the ad hoc liaison committee : main report (English)
Source: The World Bank, 2016/09/19

ABSTRACT
The Palestinian economic outlook is worrying: recovering slowly from the recession of 2014, the per capita income growth has almost stagnated and projected growth levels will not support animprovement in living standards. The growth rate of the Palestinian economy is projected to hoveraround 3.5 percent in the medium term. Given the high population growth in the Palestinian territories, this implies a near stagnation in per capita incomes. The economy has also not been able to create enough jobs, resulting in stubborn unemployment rates reaching 27 percent in 2016 (18 percent in the West Bank and 42 percent in Gaza), despite recent steps by Israel to increase the number of work permits for West Bank Palestinians. The productive capacity of the Palestinian economy has been eroded over the years with a significant decline in the size of manufacturing and agriculture in the economy.


Read more: http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/474311473682340785/pdf/108205-V2-WP-PUBLIC-SEPT-14-2PM-September-2016-AHLC-World-Bank-Report.pdf

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The economic costs of the Israeli occupation for the occupied Palestinian territory

A bulletin published by the Palestinian Ministry of National Economy in cooperation with the Applied Research Institute- Jerusalem (ARIJ)
Source: ARIJ, September 2011
(snip, Summary II)
Today these restrictions have deepened further and according to our estimations in 2010 they are almost equal to the value of the entire Palestinian economy. The total costs imposed by the Israeli occupation on the Palestinian economy which we have been able to measure was USD 6.897 billion in 2010, a staggering 84.9% of the total estimated Palestinian GDP. In other words, had the Palestinians not been subject to the Israeli occupation, their economy would have been almost double in size than it is today.

Read more: http://www.arij.org/files/admin/latestnews/Economic%20Cost%20of%20Occupation.pdf

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WEST BANK AND GAZA
REPORT TO THE AD HOC LIAISON COMMITTEE

Source: International Monetary Fund (IMF), April 5, 2016
(snip p7)
OUTLOOK AND RISKS
10. The economic outlook is fraught with uncertainty. Staff’s baseline assumes the political impasse and Israeli restrictions continue, but that recent episodic violence will not escalate into a full-fledged conflict. On that basis, GDP growth is projected to reach 3.2 percent in 2016 (2.7 percent in the West Bank and 5 percent in Gaza), and to average about 3½ percent in the medium term. In Gaza, real GDP is unlikely to return to pre-conflict levels until 2018, a year later than previously estimated. Inflation will likely remain subdued, on account of low inflation in Israel, no marked uptick in international oil prices and relatively weak economic activity.

11. However, the status quo will not boost per capita incomes and reduce unemployment, underscoring the critical importance of a political breakthrough. An estimated quarter of a million young people will enter the labor market during 2015–18. Assuming an elasticity of employment with respect to output of around one in the medium term,9 average annual growth of 4.5 percent would be required to absorb the expanding labor force. A continuation of the current conditions would likely see growth hover around 3½ percent in the medium term. Any significant improvement in medium-term prospects therefore hinges on the peace process and donor engagement.

12. As donor support falters and political tensions persist, economic management and prospects for the PA’s longer term viability are increasingly at risk. While concrete steps toward domestic political reconciliation could help boost the outlook, risks are predominantly on the downside (see Annex I). Absent broader political dialogue, ongoing violence could escalate, leading to another war in Gaza and/or a political and security crisis in the West Bank. In Gaza, reconstruction could slow further if donors’ aid falls short of commitments or if restrictions intensify. Further shortfalls in budget support or the inability to contain spending could undermine an already fragile fiscal position, leading to additional arrears (possibly compromising private creditors’ ability to service loans and associated risks to the banking sector), a fall in private demand and, in the extreme, a breakdown of government services. Fiscal risks emanating from litigation in U.S. courts (Sokolow vs. Palestine Liberation Organization) have receded until the PA’s appeal is decided. However, heightened risks concerning Israeli correspondent banking relationships could prove detrimental to the payments system and private economic activity (that has so far proved remarkably resilient).


Read more: https://www.imf.org/~/media/Files/Countries/ResRep/WBG/WBG040516.ashx

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The staggering economic cost of occupation: The Palestinian economy would be at least twice as large without Israeli occupation, UNCTAD report says
Source: United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD), 06 September 2016

The economy of the Occupied Palestinian Territory could easily produce twice the gross domestic product (GDP) it generates now, while unemployment and poverty could recede significantly, according to this year's report on UNCTAD assistance to the Palestinian people.

Surveying a number of studies, the report reveals the channels through which occupation deprives the Palestinian people of their human right to development and hollows out the Palestinian economy.

Chief among these are the confiscation of Palestinian land, water and other natural resources; loss of policy space; restrictions on the movement of people and goods; destruction of assets and the productive base; expansion of Israeli settlements; fragmentation of domestic markets; separation from international markets and forced dependence on the Israeli economy.

Moreover, a continuous process of de-agriculturalization and de-industrialization has deformed the structure of the Palestinian economy, the report maintains. From 1975-2014, the share of the tradable goods sector (agriculture and industry) in GDP dropped by half, from 37 per cent to 18 per cent, while its contribution to employment decreased from 47 per cent to 23 per cent.

Area C, which accounts for more than 60 per cent of West Bank land and more than 66 per cent of its grazing land, is not accessible to Palestinian producers.

Occupied Palestinian Territory

It is estimated that the occupation of Area C costs the Palestinian economy the equivalent of 35 per cent of GDP ($4.4 billion in 2015).


Read more: http://unctad.org/en/pages/newsdetails.aspx?OriginalVersionID=1317

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Terrorist, Muslims, Palestinians, etc. HassleCat Jan 2017 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #2
We're talking government AJT Jan 2017 #3
The point you make is excellent. Also, the actual PEW poll did NOT use the word "backing" still_one Jan 2017 #5
Interesting that the Times of Israel decided to substitute the word sympathize for still_one Jan 2017 #4
the third/ fourth option kind of blurs the results Mosby Jan 2017 #6
Tich and Geek have been blind to that for years FBaggins Jan 2017 #8
I readily acknowledge that the Democratic elite political class is overwhelmingly geek tragedy Jan 2017 #9
The point you keep missing is that NEITHER republicans nor democrats agree with YOU FBaggins Jan 2017 #10
LOL geek tragedy Jan 2017 #11
The graphs in the poll show clearly a huge drop in Democratic sympathies for Israel since 2016. Little Tich Jan 2017 #15
I think its reflects the failures of the Netanyahu gov Mosby Jan 2017 #17
And a much larger percentage are prejudiced against geek tragedy Jan 2017 #19
Most anti-Semites are of course Republicans - I don't think members of the KKK vote Democrat. Little Tich Jan 2017 #23
The liberal argument for Israel is getting weaker. Little Tich Jan 2017 #7
So, you're belief that the admitted only democracy in the Middle East, branford Jan 2017 #12
Game, set, match! grossproffit Jan 2017 #13
Apartheid and racism are not conservative values. Little Tich Jan 2017 #14
Would you then care to explain, no less excuse, branford Jan 2017 #16
I seems to me as if you're blaming the victims for their own misfortune. Little Tich Jan 2017 #18
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #21
Certain elements of rightwing ideology are hostile to democracy. geek tragedy Jan 2017 #20
Would you agree that the PA and Hamas (and most of the Arab world) branford Jan 2017 #22
Hamas is abhorrent and vile and anathema to liberal values. geek tragedy Jan 2017 #24
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