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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
15. How much can they do to get their house together...
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:49 PM
Sep 2016

...when the IDF(metaphorically at least)keeps bulldozing the house?

What Palestinians need is some breathing space...a reduction in the perpetual harassment from the IDF...and end to petty acts of meanness like the destruction of solar power panels(a technology that can't BE weaponized in any way at all)simply because the NGO that constructed the solar panels got sick of waiting for the IDF to approve the construction. Or the diversion of most of the water, or the restrictions on movement and the right to travel that make it impossible for many Palestinians to get work or to have any hope in life. There was never any justification for collective punishment, collective punishment has never made Israel any more secure, and its time to admit it doesn't work.

If you want Palestinians to make better choices, give them something to live for. It's not right to make every moment of the life of a West Bank or Gaza resident a punishment or a humiliation. And if prejudice is part of it(btw...assuming that the Palestinians act out of hatred of Jews, rather than legitimate anger at their treatment by the Israeli goverment, implies that Palestinians have no real valid grievances here. Do you actually personally believe this?

It's simple...if immiserating the people of the West Bank and Gaza hasn't caused the downfall of Hamas yet, it never CAN cause that downfall. The occupation has now gone on almost as long as the U.S. embargo against Cuba. We just admitted the embargo never worked and that it's time to end it. Why shouldn't Netanyahu do the same thing in this case?

BTW, far more Palestinians get killed than Israelis ever do. And many of those who are killed are civilians, some children(there SHOULD be a rule that children are never a legitimate military target, period).

It's not hypocrisy to reject the argument that the whole thing is the fault of the Palestinian leadership and the Israeli side are nothing but blameless, innocent victims who just want what's best for everyone. There is equal responsibility on both sides, and both sides have to change. It's just that there's no way for change to come FROM the status quo. The status quo is a failure. The continued existence of Hamas proves that.

Why can't you accept the fact that there's nothing in the current situation that is worth preserving? That the existing order does nothing to make Israel any more secure or peace any more likely? What the hell is there to like?

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so Abbas is both a terror enabler and a communist! ericson00 Sep 2016 #1
why would this be surprising? Warren Stupidity Sep 2016 #2
more interesting to see who defends this scumbag ericson00 Sep 2016 #3
It's a waste of time trying to discredit Abbas, which is mainly about trying to discredit Fatah. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #7
So who should the Israeli's leftynyc Sep 2016 #11
It's a waste of time NOT to try and sit down and negotiate. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #13
And what would be the point leftynyc Sep 2016 #14
How much can they do to get their house together... Ken Burch Sep 2016 #15
Always making excuses for leaders of Hamas & the PLO, aren't you? shira Sep 2016 #19
They actually haven't made any offers remotely like that. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #21
1937 Peel, 1947 Partition, 1965 Eshkol plan, 1967 Khartoum.... shira Sep 2016 #23
If it was wrong for the Palestinians to reject those, it was equally wrong for the Israelis Ken Burch Sep 2016 #25
You didn't answer why those proposals were rejected. Still waiting.... shira Sep 2016 #27
I don't personally know all the history there, and wasn't one of those who did the rejecting. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #29
Ken, you're clearly in denial - unable to acknowledge easy reality. shira Sep 2016 #31
I'm not anti-Israel. I'm pro-peace. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #32
You can't be pro-peace when you refuse to call out evil for what it is.... shira Sep 2016 #33
Your argument that more Palestinians leftynyc Sep 2016 #30
NY Times also reporting this ericson00 Sep 2016 #4
Why the Abbas KGB ‘revelation’ came out now Little Tich Sep 2016 #5
kill the messenger? All of Abbas' moral authority, not that there was much to begin with, ericson00 Sep 2016 #6
Nothing positive would come of removing Abbas from the leadership, Ken Burch Sep 2016 #8
Criticizing & condemning Abbas, putting pressure on him can only help matters. shira Sep 2016 #17
correction 6chars Sep 2016 #9
the PLO isn't evil. It had to exist. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #16
The PLO still incites, praises, & rewards terror. Their charter still calls for that.... shira Sep 2016 #18
I don't approve of their tactics, but Israeli intransigence is the reason Fatah and Hamas exist. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #20
You don't approve their Jew hatred, rewarding & praising of murder of innocents.... shira Sep 2016 #22
I don't celebrate any of those things you listed and you damn well know it. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #24
Didn't say you did - but those acts, celebrating murder, is pure evil unseen anywhere else.... shira Sep 2016 #28
Maalot 6chars Sep 2016 #26
I don't have your ability to draw definite conclusions from such ambiguous evidence. Sorry. n/t Little Tich Sep 2016 #10
Feel free to list leftynyc Sep 2016 #12
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