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Little Tich

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25. Your fantasies about what a two-state solution would look like aren't connected to reality.
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:21 AM
May 2016

Giving a Palestinian state a few square miles of desert won't make it more contiguous or even remotely viable. Any development in these amazing new areas won't change the facts that all communities in the West Bank and Jerusalem are isolated from each other, have nowhere to expand and have no access to resources.

There are more than a few serious reports detailing the problems of the economy in the occupied territories, but there's not a single viability study of a two-state solution with the settlements remaining. Perhaps it's because the settlements completely prevent a viable two-state solution?

Anyway, here are some reports on the difficult economic conditions in the occupied territories and their causes:

The economic costs of the Israeli occupation for the occupied Palestinian territory September 2011
Source: The Palestinian Ministry of National Economy and the Applied Research Institute - Jerusalem
http://www.un.org/depts/dpa/qpal/docs/2012Cairo/p2%20jad%20isaac%20e.pdf

East Jerusalem 2015: Facts and Figures
Source: Association for Civil Rights in Israel, May 2015
http://www.acri.org.il/en/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/EJ-Facts-and-Figures-2015.pdf

Palestinian Authority Incurs US$285 Million in Annual Fiscal Losses
Source: The World Bank

JERUSALEM, April 18, 2016 – A new World Bank report estimates that the Palestinian Authority (PA) is losing US$285 million in revenues annually under the current economic arrangements with the Government of Israel. The report states that these revenues can significantly ease the Authority’s fiscal stress.

Read more: http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2016/04/18/palestinian-authority-incurs-us285-million-in-annual-fiscal-losses

Any two-state solution that doesn't remove all or at least most of the settlements is guaranteed to fail, regardless of how much money is used. A non-viable Palestinian state can't be made more viable without addressing the cause for it being non-viable. Besides, who's going to pay for all this? It seems horribly expensive. This idea of yours seems more like the brain farts of an armchair economist than an actual serious proposal.

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This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars May 2016 #1
Bernie is bringing anti-Israel sentiment to the mainstream ericson00 May 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #3
tell me... ericson00 May 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #10
Ericson has been on that tangent for months now Scootaloo May 2016 #6
It's fucking contemptible. Straight out vile garbage. cali May 2016 #17
Not y'all ;) .....just some ....nt. Israeli May 2016 #7
She's been pretty consistently wrong about everything to do with the middle east Scootaloo May 2016 #4
Her statement is very disappointing. Little Tich May 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars May 2016 #9
I think that some pressure would be needed to convince Israel to give up all lands occupied since Little Tich May 2016 #11
There needs to be pressure on the PA/Hamas, not Israel... shira May 2016 #12
How would pressuring the Palestinians result in a viable two-state solution? n/t Little Tich May 2016 #18
They've rejected EVERY offer of a viable state. They don't want to recognize Israel.... shira May 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars May 2016 #13
Land swaps? Little Tich May 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars May 2016 #21
Your fantasies about what a two-state solution would look like aren't connected to reality. Little Tich May 2016 #25
Maybe you should advise Abbas not to agree to land swaps. shira May 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars May 2016 #32
I've shown you maps and linked to detailed reports, and you counter this by referring to the wisdom Little Tich May 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars May 2016 #35
Your position is more Palestinian than the Palestinians... shira May 2016 #22
The Palestinians are not going to get everything they asking for King_David May 2016 #14
You really need to keep more up to date with our politics KD .... Israeli May 2016 #15
It's not exclusively ZU's idea though King_David May 2016 #16
Wouldn't that just be the Apartheid one-state solution? Little Tich May 2016 #20
No, after a unilateral pullout & imposition of borders the Palestinians are on their own.... shira May 2016 #23
So it's just like the current situation, but with a higher fence around all the Palestinians and no Little Tich May 2016 #24
The current situation in Gaza for example is not occupation by any definition. shira May 2016 #27
Gaza is still legally under occupation by Israel, and the people there are still under Israeli Little Tich May 2016 #29
No it's not. Look up the definition & you'll see Gaza is not occupation. shira May 2016 #30
Lol! northernsouthern May 2016 #26
ummm Hillary has consistently won the Jewish vote ericson00 May 2016 #31
Wow so you are now jew-shaming? northernsouthern May 2016 #34
Israel/Palestine is exclusively a matter of domestic politics in the US, not one geek tragedy May 2016 #37
actually, our relationship with Israel is one of foreign policy, and beneficial at that ericson00 May 2016 #38
that's a separate issue from the Israel/Palestine dispute geek tragedy May 2016 #39
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