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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. Mondoweiss: A Vipers' Nest of Antisemites
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:23 AM
Sep 2015

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Being against the existence of Israel isn't particularly exceptional. One of the interesting things about Mondoweiss is the tremendous amount of work they invest in their animosity. I happen to think the Saudi regime is ghastly, but I'd never spend hours every day digging up dirt on it. The Mondoweiss people do that, first by avidly seeking any remotely negative story about Israel, then by seeking the ones which aren't true, then by damning anyone who casts doubt with terms such as hasbarists, Ziobots (I assume these are part Zionists and part robots), and of course genocidists. In order to collect all that dirt they've got to pass by the occasional positive story too, but these never get linked to or even alluded to unless to demonstrate how yet another journalist has succumbed to the threat of Zionist censorship. The result is a depiction of reality which has at best a glancing relationship with the real world, but these folks aren't interested in the real world. In their world, Zionists are easily the worst group of humans, they purportedly hate all Palestinians, they enforce the most cruel policies possibly on them, they steal from-, degrade and kill Palestinians, on a daily basis. You read Mondoweiss regularly and the force of hatred towards Zionists becomes overpowering: no normal decent person could have anything but the deepest contempt for such a gang of deceitful violent criminals. As a commentor named "American" recently wrote:

The thing about the zionist is they attack even those who help them. They turned on England, calling it “worse than Hitler’ because England tried to uphold the immigration quotas agreed to. They demonize the UN that created their state for them.
Everyone, without exception, who has ever had anything to do them has regretted it….the US will too in the end. They are vipers who need to be decapitated.

Comments at Mondoweiss are moderated, so that one could have been deleted - but wasn't. And why would it be? It merely states what is obvious to the locals. Any attempt to argue with them will either be blocked by the same moderators, or derisively laughed off the screen. If a sane commenter has made a reasonable point which gets past the moderators, the locals will dig up a dozen spurious links to disprove it: the value of links being not their veracity, or the trustworthiness of their sources, but their usefulness to the party line. Links which are not useful - you guessed it: they're written off as hasbara lies.

Interestingly, the Mondoweiss community not only has no interest in the lives of real Israelis, it also has no interest in the lives of real Palestinians. Their point is to hate Israel and damn it, no matter what; the possibility that there are Palestinians who live alongside Israelis, interact with them, and even could imagine living with them in peace, is a thought never contemplated. I have Palestinian staff members, colleagues and friends; none of them could remotely fit into the Mondoweiss world. The methodology also has the odd result that according to Mondoweiss, Israelis and Palestinians are all boring cardboard figures, with none of the complexities, complications, shades of grey, frustrations and successes of real people. The very parts of the human story which make it worth following are all dropped, to be replaced by detestation (towards Israelis) and patronizing pity (towards Palestinians).

http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com/2012/04/mondoweiss-vipers-nest-of-antisemites.html.

Try to consider some of these points without a "Mondoweiss response" to guide you. Don't be predisposed to be dismissive and to take up their side. It's okay to admit a mistake a judgment. We're all on the same side here.

Also, maybe read through the comments (which are moderated) of a few articles and see what kind of vibe you get from them. Based on what I've seen you post here, I would think you would find a great many of them to be repulsive.

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I agree GitRDun Sep 2015 #1
Hmm, UN Watch... Little Tich Sep 2015 #2
Why not just go to the actual FB posts and make your own judgement? oberliner Sep 2015 #3
I don't think that cartoon is inti-Semtic. ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #27
Are you familiar with the blood libel? oberliner Sep 2015 #28
Perhaps, but then why include the US? nt ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #38
To suggest Jewish control of America? oberliner Sep 2015 #43
Criticism of Israel is not ... 6chars Sep 2015 #45
It could represent Israeli control of the US. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #46
Yes it could oberliner Sep 2015 #50
Netanyahu said America is a thing you can move very easily. ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #54
The message from that cartoon is Jews are bloodthirsty. shira Sep 2015 #29
I think the cartoon is saying Israel and the US are bloodthristy. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #37
But associating a Jewish symbol with drinking a child's blood is a traditional antisemitic trope oberliner Sep 2015 #44
The blood libel didn't involve drinking blood though. ZombieHorde Sep 2015 #47
Kill children and love blood oberliner Sep 2015 #48
You know what I've noticed leftynyc Sep 2015 #4
It's confirmation bias. In Europe & Australia they're bombarded.... shira Sep 2015 #5
You're probably right about leftynyc Sep 2015 #6
Oh, I agree with you totally about sources. No questioning the anti-Israel ones... shira Sep 2015 #7
See post #12. n/t Little Tich Sep 2015 #13
You buy everything Mondoweiss sells despite their odious history. shira Sep 2015 #15
I like Mondoweiss. Little Tich Sep 2015 #17
Just know that when you’re reading Mondoweiss, you’re reading a hate site. oberliner Sep 2015 #18
Just went there to see 6chars Sep 2015 #19
Mondoweiss is an antisemitic hate site. King_David Sep 2015 #20
I don't know how it's possible to believe a fascist hate site can be credible.... shira Sep 2015 #22
The criticism is in the Atlantic article is weak and built on preconceived notions. Little Tich Sep 2015 #23
Mondoweiss: A Vipers' Nest of Antisemites oberliner Sep 2015 #24
I only had to read the second paragraph to get a reaction from my built in BS detector... Little Tich Sep 2015 #25
I've got to ask you to turn up your BS detector oberliner Sep 2015 #30
I would say that Mondoweiss is a voice for the left leaning support for Israel as a democratic Little Tich Sep 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Sep 2015 #33
You do have a point that Mondoweiss is mostly criticism of Israel, Little Tich Sep 2015 #35
we don't often see eye to eye 6chars Sep 2015 #36
It's reasonable to fear what would happen if Jews in Israel gave political power to the Palestinians Little Tich Sep 2015 #39
It's definitely not that oberliner Sep 2015 #34
"I nowadays feel a wave of irritation whenever I hear the word ‘shalom’ " oberliner Sep 2015 #49
It's indeed a strong indicator for anti-Semitism to feel irritated when hearing the word "Shalom". Little Tich Sep 2015 #51
Tich, do you believe it's possible to support & defend Hamas.... shira Sep 2015 #40
It's indeed possible - I think Jeremy Corbyn is a good example of that. Little Tich Sep 2015 #52
Can you explain how that's possible? shira Sep 2015 #55
I think you should ask that of a Corbyn supporter, not me. Little Tich Sep 2015 #57
First and fourth paragraphs: This! 6chars Sep 2015 #31
Besides being a hate site, which it is, you think Mondoweiss... shira Sep 2015 #21
Mondoweiss is primarily an opinion site. Little Tich Sep 2015 #26
It's a hate site. Here's why...besides supporting Hamas shira Sep 2015 #42
Truth! grossproffit Sep 2015 #8
Fortunately, your suspicions are unfounded. Little Tich Sep 2015 #9
That would be a lot more leftynyc Sep 2015 #10
Vacy Vlazna. Little Tich Sep 2015 #11
Here's my review of the If Americans Knew website: Little Tich Sep 2015 #12
funding by Jewish organizations does not mean non-credible 6chars Sep 2015 #14
Yup. n/t Little Tich Sep 2015 #16
UNRWA teacher posts this image after 4 Rabbis butchered w/ axes shira Sep 2015 #41
How do I know that the bloody axe is connected to dead rabbis - it might as well be support for IS? Little Tich Sep 2015 #53
It was posted on the very same day 4 Rabbis were axed to death in J-lem. n/t shira Sep 2015 #56
Chris Gunness of UNRWA goes full-on antisemitic..... shira Sep 2015 #58
Some folks here were fans of that Mondoweiss BS article as well oberliner Sep 2015 #59
The UNRWA Road to Terror: Palestinian Classroom Incitement shira May 2016 #60
Ugh. That's incitement against Palestinians, alright. Little Tich Jun 2016 #63
How is that incitement against Palestinians? Be clear.... shira Jun 2016 #64
The whole thing is peppered with unrelated clips of Palestinian violence, Little Tich Jun 2016 #65
But UNRWA really is inciting kids to hate & want to kill Jews... shira Jun 2016 #66
I think Bedein should lose his internet privileges and have to go bed without supper. Little Tich Jun 2016 #67
Here's the thing: It's already been proven that UNRWA incites hatred in its schools... shira Jun 2016 #68
Dr. Einat Wilf on Ask the Source discussing UNRWA and the perpetuation of Palestinian refugees Mosby Jun 2016 #61
She should run for PM. n/t shira Jun 2016 #62
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