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Miguelito Loveless

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13. Then I would recommend a used EV
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 02:36 PM
Jun 2020

Last edited Wed Jun 17, 2020, 04:05 PM - Edit history (1)

as the carbon cost is already there, so you are not creating demand for a "new" vehicle.

I would also point out that EVs are on track to have much longer road life, since they have several orders of magnitude fewer moving parts. Electric motors can easily last up to 500K miles before failure, and battery packs are good for 80% capacity at 200K miles (there are some exception in early model Leaves (2011-2014).

After the battery pack is no longer suitable for an EV, it can have another decade's reuse powering a house, or for grid storage. So, you would have to amortize the carbon footprint over that time as well. After than, it can be recycled to recover graphite, cobalt, copper, manganese, aluminum and lithium.

Solar PVs do require GHG to create, but once created last 25+ years producing up to 80% of their rated capacity (they lose 1%-2% their first year, then about 0.5% a year thereafter. Also, there are tech upgrades in the work which will mean increased efficiency, longer life with lower degradation, and greener power source as manufacturing facilities begin using their own product. A prototype wind turbine made of layered interlocking wood is being set up in Sweden, and if successful, would dramatically lower the energy used to build and transport them.

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use the 2018 and save your money Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #1
That depends on what other options Phoenix61 Jan 2020 #2
The same for me exboyfil Jan 2020 #3
Are those the only two choices? PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #4
No, there are at least two other choices. Quemado Jan 2021 #20
I don't want to wait another ten years or more PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2021 #22
I'm thinking about buying a used EV kimbutgar Jan 2020 #5
I was considering a hybrid for my next car a Toyota RAV4. The ICE RAV4 gets 38 MPG doc03 Jan 2020 #6
Give the market time to sort out.. Mopar151 Jan 2020 #7
My husband often says this Freddie Jan 2020 #8
I read that GHG emissions to build a car (either EV or ICE) are about the same as what an ICE car progree Jan 2020 #9
Even in regions with mostly a coal powered grid Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #11
I'm trying not to buy another car at all, because the GHG emissions to build a car are about half progree Jun 2020 #12
Then I would recommend a used EV Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #13
I'm struggling with the used car thing, I feel even if I buy it used, I am still responsible progree Jun 2020 #14
All valid points, and I would like to make plain Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #15
If I buy, it will be used, and I'll certainly look at EV's. However, the homeowner association progree Jun 2020 #16
If we get the current troll out of office Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #17
Yeah, uh, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for those robotaxis Calculating Jan 2020 #10
Agreed, but with one nitpick Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #18
I'm sold on EV's mac2766 Jan 2021 #19
OP here: My wife and I ordered a Tesla Model Y. Quemado Jan 2021 #21
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