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12. That is not my opinion, that is fact! Ethanol has no chemical properties in it that harms engines.
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 04:09 PM
23 hrs ago

In fact, there's a whole industry out there promoting the use of ethanol and methanol with engines that ran on gasoline. If you've never ventured outside the United States, the Brazilian automotive industry has been using ethanol blended gasolines of greater than 20% ethanol for decades.

I'm sorry you are unaware of these facts. Everything I posted can be cross-referenced, which is why I posted authoritative links in my post to help those unfamiliar with the subjects contained, to learn more. I wish to inform and educate, not pass along folklore, hearsay or what some salesman at a Toyota dealership says.

But if you dig into how it's possible for people to convert their gasoline powered vehicles to ethanol or methanol, there is nothing needed on the "engine" side. What is "beneficial" on the engine side has to do with higher compression pistons or moving towards boosted engine configurations, ones with altered ignition systems to take advantage of these two superior fuels. However, as I pointed out, there are things necessary to do on the "fuel system" side, which is what I clearly point out in the second paragraph of what I posted above.

@hlthe2b: I will follow what my dealership and my manual indicate. And yes, they point out just how corrosive E15 can be IF the engine is air-cooled and/or to valves, gaskets, rubber lines and rubber parts in general in those vehicles not designed for it. But, do I advise others here to listen to you and your interpretation, rather than their own dealership, owner's manual, car manufacturer and specifically Toyota and the warning given re: my warranty? Umm, no.

For those who don't know, E10 gasoline with ethanol does not damage air-cooled and/or to valves, gaskets, rubber lines and rubber parts in general in those vehicles warranted to use E10 gasoline. What you are mostly referring to in regards to gaskets, rubber lines and rubber parts, is primarily a function of gasoline hydrocarbon peroxides that form from hydrocarbon gasoline oxidation, as gasoline interacts with air, heat, and time.

What components of conventional hydrocarbon gasoline cause peroxides? The unstable hydrocarbons known as alkenes or better known as hydrocarbon olefins and di-olefins. These peroxides break down into organic acids and aldehydes that chemically attack the polymer chains in rubber.

Don't believe me?

(Gasoline) Oxidation inhibitors, including aromatic amines and hindered phenols, are also called antioxidants. They prevent gasoline components from reacting with oxygen in the air to form peroxides or gums. Oxidation inhibitors are needed in virtually all gasolines, but especially in those with high olefin content. Peroxides can degrade antiknock quality, cause fuel pump wear, and attack plastic or elastomeric fuel system parts. Soluble gums can lead to engine deposits and insoluble gums can plug fuel filters. Motor Gasolines Technical Review - Chevron Petroleum Corporation Pg 41.

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Um .... what choice do we have? Like there are E10 only gas stations? /nt bucolic_frolic Yesterday #1
Gemini: Who Enforces the Rules? bucolic_frolic Yesterday #3
Do NOT use in Toyotas. It will VOID your warranty... hlthe2b Yesterday #2
Not sure where the 96 percent from. Old Crank Yesterday #5
Ignoring that discrepancy, to suggest the overwhelming majority of cars manufactured AFTER 2000 hlthe2b Yesterday #8
I have a 2019 VW GTI Autobahn. The owners manual says to use E-free, so that's what I do. ms liberty Yesterday #4
I have been reading some articles by Jalopnik Old Crank Yesterday #6
File this misinformation under, as my dad would say, OH, BULLSHIT! This is a story paid for by the petroleum industry. ffr Yesterday #7
Ethanol can be corrosive. And if you want to void a Toyota warranty that specifically says so, hlthe2b Yesterday #9
Thank you for confirming what I wrote and you appearently didn't read in what I wrote. ffr Yesterday #10
You wrote: "is ethanol harmful to engines. No" hlthe2b Yesterday #11
That is not my opinion, that is fact! Ethanol has no chemical properties in it that harms engines. ffr 23 hrs ago #12
Simply not true. I am not going to argue with someone who ignores basic chemistry and hlthe2b 23 hrs ago #13
You fail to debate correctly. Impeach what I have said and provide references that back up your claims ffr 22 hrs ago #14
No I just don't see you worth my time. Ethanol is inherently corrosive--only a matter of degree hlthe2b 22 hrs ago #15
Once again, you are failing to impeach what I've said. You use a cut-n-paste from a biodieselfoundation.org "blog?' ffr 20 hrs ago #16
Ah yes. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"... hlthe2b 20 hrs ago #17
It took you less than two minutes to read what I wrote and reply with all that? ffr 18 hrs ago #18
This is a tragic turn of events for the world's largest wetland, the Pantanal. NNadir 16 hrs ago #19
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