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OKIsItJustMe

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11. I certainly have "mixed feelings"
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 10:40 AM
Sep 2024

I have “mixed feelings” about “elective surgery” but, if I decided to have it done, I would want a competent surgeon, and I would not want to be her first patient.

Here’s the tack I’ve taken since about 2000, regarding “geo-engineering,” we’d better start experimenting now (then), because “mixed feelings” or not, we’re going to be forced to take actions like this in the near future. It would be best if we knew what we were doing once we did.

In 2008, Hansen et al advised:

A practical global strategy almost surely requires a rising global price on CO₂ emissions and phase-out of coal use except for cases where the CO₂ is captured and sequestered. The carbon price should eliminate use of unconventional fossil fuels, unless, as is unlikely, the CO₂ can be captured. A reward system for improved agricultural and forestry practices that sequester carbon could remove the current CO₂ overshoot. With simultaneous policies to reduce non-CO₂ greenhouse gases, it appears still feasible to avert catastrophic climate change.

(“Unconventional fossil fuels” = “fracking,” “tar sands” etc.)

At that time, they advised:
… If humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted, paleoclimate evidence and ongoing climate change suggest that CO₂ will need to be reduced from its current 385 ppm to at most 350 ppm, but likely less than that. …


(This is where 350 in 350.org came from.) How many people who are aware of the 350 ppm goal appreciate that 350 ppm is only a starting point. The logic was that if we could figure out how to lower CO₂ levels that far, then we could employ the same (or similar) techniques to lower it further. (Say to 280 ppm or lower.)

Of course, since 2008, we have gleefully done just the opposite of what Hansen et al advised, using fracking, digging up “tar sands” and not employing “natural” methods to sequester carbon. Instead of phasing out coal by 2030 (as Hansen et al advised) we’re using more of it to generate electricity!
IEA (2024), Global electricity generation from coal and COP28 pathway, 2030, IEA, Paris https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/global-electricity-generation-from-coal-and-cop28-pathway-2030 , Licence: CC BY 4.0


Ironically, in 15 years, instead of lowering CO₂ levels 35 ppm (to 350 ppm) we increased them 35 ppm to 420 ppm. At this rate, in another 15 years, we’ll almost certainly be in excess of 450 ppm, and, while we know how to cut emissions, cutting emissions does not lower the level of CO₂ already in the atmosphere.

Our estimated history of CO₂ through the Cenozoic Era provides a sobering perspective for assessing an appropriate target for future CO₂ levels. A CO₂ amount of order 450 ppm or larger, if long maintained, would push Earth toward the ice-free state. Although ocean and ice sheet inertia limit the rate of climate change, such a CO₂ level likely would cause the passing of climate tipping points and initiate dynamic responses that could be out of humanity’s control.

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Human overpopulation and human overconsumption jfz9580m Sep 2024 #1
Indeed... OKIsItJustMe Sep 2024 #2
I know jfz9580m Sep 2024 #3
Two observations OKIsItJustMe Sep 2024 #4
Thanks for your thoughtful post jfz9580m Sep 2024 #5
You're welcome. A little light reading... OKIsItJustMe Sep 2024 #6
I have mixed feelings about those strategies jfz9580m Sep 2024 #9
I certainly have "mixed feelings" OKIsItJustMe Sep 2024 #11
You have a point jfz9580m Sep 2024 #12
If you want some serious reading material... OKIsItJustMe Sep 2024 #13
Thanks jfz9580m Sep 27 #14
Better to go forward - or even stay in place - than go backwards at light speed. RandomNumbers Sep 28 #15
I'm not as optimistic at this point OKIsItJustMe Sep 28 #16
Earth didn't breach anything. We did. hatrack Sep 2024 #7
Well put! OKIsItJustMe Sep 2024 #8
Bang on jfz9580m Sep 2024 #10
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