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jody

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15. Thanks. If "Middle-class American students who attend well-funded schools rank at the top of the
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:45 AM
Sep 2012

world on international tests" prompts the questions I posed in #8:
1. What new material will be taught and what existing material discarded,
2. How will the process of teaching existing material be changed, and
3. Have the changes that produced the claimed improvements been verified as was done with the Head Start Impact Study?

IMO it's not just "well funded" that is the causal agent, it's how the funds are used.

A decade ago, I had test scores from every school in my state, per cent ethnic mix, per capita spending, and per cent free lunch stats.

Neither ethnic mix nor per capita spending had any significant correlation with test scores.

Per cent free lunch was correlated about .65 with test scores.

I don't claim anything for my quick and dirty study except to suggest state departments of education can easily replicate it.

I've not found anyone in the state education department interested in using its data to confirm or reject my findings.

In another post, I said we produced over 63 thousand new doctors of education in the last decade.

Why haven't they found the causal agent behind "Middle-class American students who attend well-funded schools rank at the top of the world on international tests"?

For the record, I am not a K-12 educator.

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Do you blame Michelle Rhee for the black-white achievement gap? What would you have done if you had jody Sep 2012 #1
I think the OP's words are... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #2
I understand but I posed a question to the OP author. nt jody Sep 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author mbperrin Sep 2012 #4
Thanks for your recommendation. Looks like Payne is a controversial figure. Don't have time to jody Sep 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author mbperrin Sep 2012 #7
Thanks but, I still don’t understand why Payne’s process is better than current methods. jody Sep 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author mbperrin Sep 2012 #9
Thanks for your comments. I'm disappointed you were not able to provide facts to support your belief jody Sep 2012 #10
You know what? I admit it. Nothing can be done to teach these kids mbperrin Sep 2012 #11
Payne doesn't have any teaching methods. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #22
If political candidates ask for money to improve education, then they need to answer the two jody Sep 2012 #24
The problem is poverty proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #25
Thanks. I understand "The problem is poverty" to mean test scores will improve if poverty declines. jody Sep 2012 #26
This is about so much more than test scores. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #27
OK "much more than test scores" but IMO most voters believe the mission of a school is to teach jody Sep 2012 #28
here's what she did to close that gap: HiPointDem Sep 2012 #6
What an absurd response. kwassa Sep 2012 #12
"unproven and unprovable belief system" OK but do educators have a "proven system"? jody Sep 2012 #13
"Middle-class American students... rank at the top of the world on international tests" HiPointDem Sep 2012 #14
Thanks. If "Middle-class American students who attend well-funded schools rank at the top of the jody Sep 2012 #15
the causal agent is class. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #16
If you are correct, then how can spending more money on education help those in the lower income jody Sep 2012 #17
It won't close the gap as so many of the factors involved are outside the control of schools. HiPointDem Sep 2012 #18
I got lost between your statement "the causal agent is class" and your argument for spending more jody Sep 2012 #19
perhaps you got lost so badly that you didn't read my post. i won't be responding to you further HiPointDem Sep 2012 #20
Have a great evening. nt jody Sep 2012 #21
He's been off the edge for while now. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #23
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