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Powers Hapgood

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5. On what basis ...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

... do you say that Bernie doesn't believe in social ownership? You definitely sound like someone who believes socialism means denying oxygen to any form of private enterprise. You're buying the old "revolutionary socialist vs. Social Democrat" divide. I would only point out Marx and Engels observed that the institutions of the new system are birthed in the belly of the old. In other words, the institutions of capitalist society aren't going to totally die off with the revolution. Social and economic institutions, including ownership, will be radically transformed. But, ultimately, even Marx and Engels knew there would be a rather lengthy and imperfect transition period to the higher form of society. If you are expecting that that transformation will be quick, you're in for some disappointment. It seems to me that Bernie is calling on us to push socialism farther than it's ever gone in the U.S. That, in and of itself, would be an amazing accomplishment. I am not even saying it's possible in the short run to go that far. But, for the moment, the word "socialism" is re-entering the mainstream dialogue in a positive way. That is an insufficient, but critical step in the process. I wouldn't deny him the socialist mantle.

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Bernie is not a socialist EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #1
I know what Bernie is and Wolff has Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #2
Why do you say ... Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #3
Socialism EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #4
On what basis ... Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #5
I don't at all EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #6
Edward you seem like a good fellow ... Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #7
Thank you EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #8
I am ... Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #9
I guess... EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #10
Dude! Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #11
interesting EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #13
Perhaps of some help. Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #12
I'll watch this :) EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #14
Watched "Pandora's Box" Powers Hapgood Feb 2016 #15
100% agreed EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #16
oh and EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #17
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