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sarisataka

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118. Unrelated
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 02:47 PM
4 hrs ago

That goes to what is often termed unwilling participant. Under that definition you must not start or escalate a confrontation. Since the video begins in media res we cannot be sure if she had displayed her weapon before getting out of the car. Further details of the encounter are needed.

However as this happened in Florida, the pertinent law governing this situation is very favorable to a claim of self-defense-

FL 766.012
(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

776.041 Use or threatened use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use or threatened use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force or threat of force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use or threatened use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use or threatened use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use or threatened use of force.

I am still unsure if her use of force was justified, but it appears to be legal.

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Good news for her. Now, she'll have her own, permanent parking space. 3Hotdogs Yesterday #1
His parking spot will be in an urn over the fireplace wolfie001 Yesterday #16
Oofff Hassin Bin Sober Yesterday #87
Ah, America. Where the answer to every problem is a gun. sinkingfeeling Yesterday #2
It was a middle aged Black woman angrychair Yesterday #35
it would SEEM you are correct but.... democratsruletheday Yesterday #38
Why didn't she get in her car or walk into the store? I don't accept killing a person when there were other solutions. sinkingfeeling Yesterday #39
What I saw was him closing the distance to her Kaleva Yesterday #42
She initially got out of the car with a gun in her hand. That might be a problem for her. Hassin Bin Sober Yesterday #94
Time will tell Kaleva 22 hrs ago #107
She tried angrychair Yesterday #45
Retail stores have parking adequate for the holiday shopping season Blumancru Yesterday #3
There's more to the story than this. flvegan Yesterday #4
"Around the parking lot?" ... JustABozoOnThisBus Yesterday #5
Testosterone poisoning? Miguelito Loveless Yesterday #7
From the video, she appears to be a Woman of Color, that wish is going to be hard to get in Fla irisblue Yesterday #18
Yes, she warned him several times, backed away from him again and again, tried to put cars between them. Midnight Writer Yesterday #22
100%. and Thank You! (for putting some realistic perspective on this incident) stopdiggin Yesterday #29
Wow what a nasty take. Wiz Imp Yesterday #23
nah. asshat really brought this on himself. stopdiggin Yesterday #30
She did more than most would angrychair Yesterday #36
It looked like a clear case of self defense to me Kaleva Yesterday #43
Wow. Unbelievable. Wiz Imp Yesterday #44
If the guy was rational, he would have retreated the moment he saw the Gun Kaleva Yesterday #50
and called for cops to arrest her for threatening him muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #62
No one in their right mind would approach someone with a gun Kaleva 22 hrs ago #104
It's a stand your ground state. NutmegYankee Yesterday #54
SOmething was also seriously wrong with that woman. Wiz Imp Yesterday #56
A jury will have to consider what he said prior, if anything, to advancing toward her. LudwigPastorius Yesterday #57
100% agree bluestarone Yesterday #74
As a whole, we ARE a disappointing species. There good people among us but I fear we are in societal collapse. OrlandoDem2 Yesterday #11
Listen to the news story. Wiz Imp Yesterday #26
That isn't the whole story angrychair Yesterday #37
stop making sense.... democratsruletheday Yesterday #40
People should be nicer to one another. twodogsbarking Yesterday #6
Don't wanna make it about me but as a 66 yo white male..... wolfie001 Yesterday #15
It looks like he was stalking her but she should have retreated to her car and not brandished the gun. Ritabert Yesterday #8
Stop shopping at Walmart. So many People of Walmart suck! OrlandoDem2 Yesterday #9
He seemed intent on a physical confrontation, despite her pointing a gun 70sEraVet Yesterday #10
+1. dalton99a Yesterday #19
maybe it's the "Exception that Proves the Rule" Hieronymus Phact Yesterday #28
Plus 2 bluestarone Yesterday #75
I'm Sorry, But She Had Ample Opportunities to Return to the Store, Drive Off, Whatever DrFunkenstein Yesterday #12
She tried angrychair Yesterday #41
I didn't see in the video where he was preventing her from driving off MichMan Yesterday #46
In Florida that's legal angrychair Yesterday #51
I noticed MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #67
Old loser white guy kept on wolfie001 Yesterday #13
I am guessing that there is a backstory here, and not a pretty one. niyad Yesterday #14
If This Was a Black Man and a White Woman, Imagine the Fox News Coverage and Campaign Ads DrFunkenstein Yesterday #17
This could go either way NewEnglandAutumn Yesterday #20
It was an argument over a parking spot. sop Yesterday #21
If the guy was rational, he would have backed off as soon as he saw the gun Kaleva Yesterday #47
Those are a lot of assumptions to justify shooting a man to death in a parking lot. sop Yesterday #55
I certainly didn't see anything in the video that justified a shooting. NT Midwestern Democrat Yesterday #48
Floriduh. SergeStorms Yesterday #24
She didn't have to kill him, that's how the jury would see it FakeNoose Yesterday #25
People are touchy these days. ananda Yesterday #27
This is the Supreme Court's America J_William_Ryan Yesterday #31
Had he the brains to back up & call the police saying a woman was threatening him with a gun, Wonder Why Yesterday #32
I'm Pretty Sure Everyone Here Was Operating From The Amygdala, Except One Had a Handgun DrFunkenstein Yesterday #34
Clearly angrychair Yesterday #53
Why did she exit her car brandishing the gun instead of just driving away? MichMan Yesterday #33
By law, she isn't required to drive away Kaleva Yesterday #49
She isn't required to shoot and kill either MichMan Yesterday #60
larger male repeatedly physically advancing on female that is (repeatedly) stopdiggin Yesterday #71
Based on what I saw, I'd say her actions were resonable Kaleva 22 hrs ago #105
Some of these responses are disturbing angrychair Yesterday #52
Why does race have to be a factor? MichMan Yesterday #58
Why does gender have to be a factor? MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #69
Why should race be ignored? Torchlight Yesterday #70
Because, it always about skin color angrychair Yesterday #72
"People haven't even seen the video" MichMan 23 hrs ago #95
I'm not assuming anything angrychair 23 hrs ago #96
We have video; he was not in a position to physically threaten her muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #61
Interesting angrychair Yesterday #73
I might put it as "the unarmed person didn't do anything wrong or threatening" muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #76
Then the unarmed man angrychair Yesterday #79
I don't see "might is right" as a good guiding principle muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #81
No angrychair Yesterday #86
'Malice'? No. Recklessness, yes. muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #88
We are done angrychair Yesterday #90
"Victim blaming"? I'm not blaming the victim. The victim is the dead guy. muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #91
But his behavior was irrational Kaleva 13 hrs ago #111
Being irrational is not a reason to be shot. muriel_volestrangler 13 hrs ago #113
Approaching someone armed with a gun is highly irrational behavior Kaleva 12 hrs ago #114
No: we must be absolutely clear: her behaviour was extremely irrational, and she killed him as a result muriel_volestrangler 11 hrs ago #115
sorry, I see her as a gun humper Skittles 23 hrs ago #102
Sorry angrychair 22 hrs ago #103
SHE could have driven away too Skittles 22 hrs ago #106
He was the aggressor angrychair 22 hrs ago #108
That's just stupid. I can't imagine shooting someone over a parking space. Vinca Yesterday #59
I am not to say this was justified or not, but I have a question sarisataka Yesterday #63
He should have MichMan Yesterday #64
So she is just supposed to stand there angrychair Yesterday #77
You see an "attack"; I see an argument muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #78
I see centerists angrychair Yesterday #82
As I said, I really don't understand where "centrists" come into this muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #83
No angrychair Yesterday #89
Very few people deserve to be killed sarisataka Yesterday #84
Another thing to keep in mind is that... LudwigPastorius 14 hrs ago #110
I agree Kaleva 13 hrs ago #112
Bottom line, stupidity got him killed. Buddyzbuddy Yesterday #65
"That's an entitled man that was used to scaring other people into doing what he wanted." MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #68
Leave it to judge and jury. Sneederbunk Yesterday #66
Black woman, white older man csusan Yesterday #80
Having been right is poor consolation when you're dead or in prison. RockRaven Yesterday #85
In MN, she'd be incarcerated, whatever her story, because she didn't physically run away first. OC375 Yesterday #92
MN has castle doctrine sarisataka Yesterday #93
Castle doctrine in name only. OC375 23 hrs ago #97
Can you provide a case sarisataka 23 hrs ago #98
State vs Blevins 2024 OC375 23 hrs ago #99
Not in the home sarisataka 23 hrs ago #100
We'll have to see... OC375 23 hrs ago #101
you have completely misrepresented almost the entirety of what the stopdiggin 15 hrs ago #109
We'll see OC375 10 hrs ago #116
But are you retreating if you get out of your car with a gun in your hand? Hassin Bin Sober 9 hrs ago #117
Unrelated sarisataka 4 hrs ago #118
The man was shouting; the woman was pointing a gun at him. muriel_volestrangler 3 hrs ago #119
That is for a grand jury to decide sarisataka 3 hrs ago #120
We do see her getting out of her car with the gun; at that time, he's out of the frame muriel_volestrangler 3 hrs ago #121
Did he make any threats during their confrontation sarisataka 3 hrs ago #122
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