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44. He can do federal pardons but he cannot pardon himself or anyone else for crimes charged in state courts
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 12:03 AM
Yesterday

States need to get busy with investigating crimes committed in their jurisdiction by Trump or any of his administration – and proceed to charging the criminals.

Trump v. United States Didn't Make the President Above the Law. Nothing Ever Has. by Christopher Armitage

Most Americans have come to believe that Donald Trump is effectively above the law because he is the sitting president. Not because they want him to be, but because they think the Supreme Court made it that way. They point to Trump v. United States and say the Court gave him immunity; they point to impeachment and the 25th Amendment and say those are the only two remedies. They've concluded, reasonably but inaccurately that until Congress acts with a supermajority, nothing can touch him. They're wrong. And the people who benefit from that confusion have every reason to keep it going.

[snip…]

The dual sovereignty doctrine, which has been the law of this land since the founders wrote it into the architecture of the republic, gives every state independent authority to prosecute crimes committed within their borders; a presidential pardon cannot touch a state conviction. Congress doesn't have to act. No supermajority is required. If the president commits a crime, a prosecutor with jurisdiction can charge him, and that's how it has always worked.…

The founders weren't subtle about why they built it this way. They'd watched a king operate above the law, and they designed a system with two parallel sets of courts, two parallel sets of prosecutors, two parallel sets of criminal codes, and two parallel sets of criminal statutes specifically so no single actor could capture the whole machine. The dual sovereignty doctrine wasn't a legal technicality they left lying around; it was the design. States retain independent authority to prosecute crimes committed within their borders because the founders understood that the day would come when the federal government couldn't be trusted to police itself. That day has a name now. It's today.


The Minnesota county attorney for Minneapolis needs to do more than just CONSIDER filing charges for those who murdered Renee Good and Alex Pretti. There's enough evidence in spite of the Trump regime's stonewalling and non-cooperation. As Armitage points out:
Every judge, every attorney general, every sheriff, every prosecutor who declines to investigate or charge documented criminal conduct because the man committing it is currently president has made a choice. They may not have said the words. But their actions have said them plainly: the president is above the law. That's the only conclusion their inaction supports.

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That's clearly abuse of power- he should be impeached for saying this. Blues Heron Friday #1
While I want him impeached for many things, this isn't one of them, as (so far) actions aren't involved Polybius Friday #26
You can impeach someone for anything if you have the votes, it's like voting someone off the island Blues Heron Friday #31
Absolutely, as Gerald Ford one famously said Polybius Friday #35
I'd settle for any infraction, like they got Al Capone on tax charges after all the gangland slayings Blues Heron Friday #37
200 feet graycampervan Friday #30
Another one among a long list of impeachable offenses SheltieLover Yesterday #51
Jokes on them dweller Friday #2
Let's hope for the best then. nt SunSeeker Friday #24
And everyone of them Dan Friday #3
Yes. Even if they can't be prosecuted, they should testify. wnylib Friday #32
;-{) PARDON Goonch Friday #4
I do not think it matters.... AltairIV Friday #5
Like Hitler handing out the cyanide before the fall of Germany... Grins Friday #6
Which is a pretty open acknowledgement that all of them have been breaking the law on a regular basis. nt eppur_se_muova Friday #7
Pardons Lem1951 Friday #8
Let's hope creative state prosecutors find ways to hold... pat_k Friday #9
So, Trump has admitted liberalgunwilltravel Friday #10
It's a crime syndicate. Justice matters. Yesterday #53
But...but...Biden did it underpants Friday #11
Seems to me there will be grounds for civil causes of action. pat_k Friday #12
That has its own shortcomings angrychair Friday #13
In other words... Buddyzbuddy Friday #14
Yep. To cover up is a crime. Justice matters. Yesterday #54
So... everyone around him is guilty of a federal crime sakabatou Friday #15
That's how i'm reading this bluestarone Friday #19
Yes, but he'll spin it as protection against "malicious prosecution by the Democrat party" Orrex Friday #28
"That radius appears to be expanding as the president repeats the line." William Seger Friday #16
Good, he's thinking about leaving already. OC375 Friday #17
I see this as the supreme court created a mother fucking KING MONSTER! bluestarone Friday #18
When is he leaving office? IronLionZion Friday #20
A green light to now start getting while the getting's good. surfered Friday #21
I beg your pardon BattleRow Friday #22
Can't pardon shit if you're 6 feet under Chump duckworth969 Friday #23
Obviously he can't be trusted. SamuelAdams Friday #25
Well then we as a people kacekwl Friday #27
Come on Heart Attack! RainCaster Friday #29
Highly profitable, I'm sure. enigmania Friday #33
Good. He said he will. That means he won't. Scrivener7 Friday #34
So they all know they are committing crimes. travelingthrulife Friday #36
"Continue committing crimes on my behalf." WestMichRad Friday #38
Accepting a pardon is a confession of guilt. The Wizard Friday #39
Why should he think he needs to do this if everything was above board? AllyCat Friday #40
One can not PARDON when the receipent has not been charged. dave99 Friday #41
President Biden did some preemptive pardoning for people he knew trump would come after Bayard Friday #42
trump says the president has an "absolute right" to pardon himself. Bayard Friday #43
He can do federal pardons but he cannot pardon himself or anyone else for crimes charged in state courts summer_in_TX Yesterday #44
Such pardoned people called as prosecution witnesses might find it more difficult to plead the 5th... 0rganism Yesterday #45
sounds like a confession TalenaGor Yesterday #46
That won't protect them from the public. Grokenstein Yesterday #47
So he's essentially condoning and encouraging corrupt and criminal acts by all of his immediate staff and their staffs KPN Yesterday #48
This declaration... Escape Yesterday #49
He has abused this power. BlueMTexpat Yesterday #50
Pre-approval of crimes not yet committed. Would anyone take advantage of this opportunity? Norrrm Yesterday #52
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