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Bluetus

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27. I wish you success in your pursuit. It is the nature of fascism ...
Sat Jan 10, 2026, 12:01 PM
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that the forces you mention (namely, government, media, and soulless corporations -- you didn't specifically mention Big Religion, but they are in there too) align themselves into an impenetrable force. We are already there. History tells us that there is no gentle way out.

I do take some difference with:

There is no bigger pie or limitless growth. That defies the laws of physics. When you suck away resources from people with some natural, innate comprehension of limits (like my parents or me or my colleagues, mentors or doctors), with the help of trend and fad following morons, and hand them over to robber barons (Pichai, Musk, Zuck, Palantir) and algorithms with a side of extortion, what ends up happening is that what could have gone towards what would have worked out best for the planet and its people in even a moderate sense, instead goes to MixPanel/Lybrate/AcuBits/Cogito/Humanyze/Sprnklr/Pikini/Infobeans/YCombinator/anything Chamath Palihapitiya or Roger MacNamee/Anything Alex Pentland/Tata/Alibaba/Google/Affectiva/SmartEye/Reliance/Andreessen Horowitz/Microsoft/Cisco/Intel/Lockheed Martin/Vedanta etc or worse the NSO Group/Black Cube …


Ultimately, they are all about the same things, money and power. And their main interest in power is to get more money. So ultimately, it is all about money. And we have to understand, there are multiple ways to oppress and steal from the masses. One way is to simply kill some and imprison the rest, either literally in prisons or by taking away their money and forcing them to be economic slaves, just to continue eating and breathing. There are many horrific examples throughout history.

Another way is much more insidious, because you can actually make people imprison themselves. And that begins by placing control of the money itself in the hands of the few, such as you mentioned above. In the old way of thinking, we had the Federal Reserve, which was a few banksters who controlled the money supply. Naturally, they acted in the interests of their fellow banksters because in their view, if banksters are not rich, then everything else falls apart. There were some restraints over this activity because for a long time, the Fed's creation of money was (theoretically) limited to a multiplier of the amount of gold in Ft. Knox.

That went away 70 years ago. Since that time, the available money has been totally the product of fiat. That has created the situation where the powerful can simply create new money for themselves, gradually shifting the balance of wealth from the masses to the few through inflation. During these same ~70 years, we had lots of new forms of money, beyond currency, in circulation. We added credit cards with usury interest. Bigger and bigger mortgages. 6-year car loans. Student loan debt that can't be forgiven in bankruptcy, and so on. Then in 2008, the central banks suddenly created $20 trillion in new money. It did not go to working people around the world. It went almost entirely to the banksters and the already rich.

That money was supposed to be temporary, but it was never pulled back, and THAT is essentially what has funded the insanely valued Mag-7 companies (and others) that have made the people you mentioned rich beyond any prior imagination.

Even that was not enough for them. In the last 15 years, they have created about $5 trillion in crypto, which is being used by the rich like any other currency. And it is this post-2008 explosion of money supply (roughly $25 trillion created out of thin air) that is now flooding into the system as construction of AI data centers

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Proposition, Meet Premise OC375 Jan 9 #3
With military backup ManuelV Saturday #32
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With "easy" oil around $60/bbl, nobody needs that Venezuelan oil that is hard to refine Bluetus Jan 9 #9
"wasteful AI data centers." jfz9580m Jan 9 #18
They don't necessarily have a plan for AI. But they know money is flooding in for anything with an "AI" badge on it. Bluetus Jan 9 #19
That is exactly the type of "growth" jfz9580m Saturday #20
I wish you success in your pursuit. It is the nature of fascism ... Bluetus Saturday #27
Here is an interesting discussion Bluetus Saturday #29
Infinite growth... lonely bird Saturday #30
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In my area, it is "back door" rate hikes Bluetus Monday #36
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