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40. Observations
Fri Jan 9, 2026, 11:37 AM
Friday

1. ICE agent drew his gun well before the vehicle moved. No other iCE agent drew their weapons - including the guy who stuck his arm in the open car window. He seemed all too ready/eager to engage. After shooting, other ICE agents did not support agent at all, almost moved away from him.

2. ICE must establish each of the 3 shots were justified by self defense. ICE agent’s first shot was in low right front window, angle makes challenging to claim he was in front of car. Second and third shots were through open window. Definitely not in danger of being hit by car at this point.


3. After shooting, ICE agents did not race to check on victim - to see if she was still capable of inflicting harm on them or to render aid. Slow walking, slow moving of vehicles. No sense of urgency.

4. Prior injuries to ICE agent could be used to show his state of mind. Both to show maybe not fit to return to service (was he retrained, etc), and to show he acted as he did b/c of prior incidents (so it was reasonable for him to act as he did or not). Seems odd a guy who had been dragged by a car would step around a car as he did - you think he’d be less likely to do that.

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He needs to turn himself in to the Minneapolis police and be held for the charge of murder UpInArms Jan 8 #1
The local DA can also have a bench warrant served (for cause) for his arrest. ancianita Jan 8 #3
It'd be a tough case to prosecute... Shipwack Jan 8 #33
Very interesting... IthinkThereforeIAM Jan 8 #34
If he is in a deep red state... The Grand Illuminist Saturday #48
"cited by the homeland security secretary, Kristi Noem, and JD Vance. " underpants Jan 8 #2
They've already hurt any chance of fighting over jurisdiction on his case. Doxxing is always an authoritarian pretext ancianita Jan 8 #4
What did she actually say? I don't want to sign up for X in order to hear the 9-second clip. Thanks. TheRickles Jan 8 #7
It's on YouTube. Keep MSNOW on, they'll probably play it tonight. ancianita Jan 8 #13
Actually, Noem "doxxed" him herself Miguelito Loveless Jan 8 #10
Yeah Vance just repeated it but the Star Tribune was already on it underpants Jan 8 #17
Noem is admitting that he has known PTSD issues neohippie Friday #38
Law enforcement at all levels Miguelito Loveless Friday #39
I Doubt They Care RobinA Saturday #49
Soon, his address and family will be known, too. Deuxcents Jan 8 #5
It's already in current court records, a matter of public record. No doxxing necessary. ancianita Jan 8 #6
If a whole bunch of people take to the internet and broadcast his address and other contact info from those records AZJonnie Jan 8 #11
Sure. But then there's the well known fact that he's a resident of Minneapolis. ancianita Jan 8 #12
If I, for example, went into public records and found out where Ross lives and other contact information AZJonnie Jan 8 #19
I agree. No issue here. ancianita Jan 8 #21
I love a consensus :) (n/t) AZJonnie Jan 8 #22
His neighbors might be surprised to see him murdering a young woman questionseverything Friday #37
Well, I wouldn't take my opinion of a parent out on his kid. But I do understand what you mean. ancianita Friday #42
Seriously, you would let your kid play in a murderers house? questionseverything Friday #43
It wasn't that family that caused him to make the decision to murder. It's moot, anyway, to answer to a hypothetical ancianita Saturday #44
Cops are trained to not purposefully place themselves in front of a running, manned vehicle AZJonnie Jan 8 #8
Yes. Here are previous court records with photos showing Ross doing just that with a "suspect" charged. ancianita Jan 8 #9
Certainly not defending Munoz in this circumstance, but this still seems like a bonehead move by Ross AZJonnie Jan 8 #15
Not at all. Munoz should have gotten a lawyer before this encounter, because photos show that how this arrest proceeded ancianita Jan 8 #16
A quibble about 'Accelerating away at a high rate of speed' and a question about tasers lostnfound Jan 8 #18
I hear you. I'm wondering just where MN's excellent AG, Keith Ellison is. Is he dealing with these events? ancianita Jan 8 #20
Ooooh, busting out the physics definitions and calling for precision in language! AZJonnie Jan 8 #24
Tasers don't always work, unfortunately. Jedi Guy Saturday #46
Did he realize he was being filmed and there were at least 10 witnesses seeing the entire incident? FakeNoose Jan 8 #23
This all has to go to a MN state court soon. Things are getting way worse because of this murder. More from The Guardian ancianita Jan 8 #14
Ten Years In ICE 2na fisherman Jan 8 #25
Curious what happens when the court records are searched.... SSJVegeta Jan 8 #27
Apparently he was involved in some shit Klarkashton Jan 8 #28
I hear you. But given the information climate of this administration, ancianita Jan 8 #30
Looks like there are grounds for arrest at this point SSJVegeta Jan 8 #26
At the state level. There will first be a jurisdictional fight in courts about this. And the state will win. ancianita Jan 8 #31
Weird Beard Vance is big on hiding the facts of this case Klarkashton Jan 8 #29
Can't believe he lives in Minneapolis iemanja Jan 8 #32
God help me, Woodycall Jan 8 #35
This was always going to happen. Aussie105 Jan 8 #36
Observations Justice Friday #40
I wouldn't be surprised Jilly_in_VA Friday #41
The New Ambassador To The Philippines? 2na fisherman Saturday #45
You've got quite the imagination. Don't spread this around and give the felon ideas lol. ancianita Saturday #47
Yes, A Bit of Hyperbole 2na fisherman Saturday #50
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