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ancianita

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19. Good and reasonable question re fentanyl. But more often the felon broadly mixed it up, saying it was about drugs.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:01 PM
Jan 3

from a PBS factcheck article...

Trump said the boats were carrying fentanyl during the Oct. 15 press conference.

"And you can see it, the boats get hit, and you see that fentanyl all over the ocean," Trump said. "It's like floating in bags. It's all over the place."

He has shared aerial videos of some of the boat strikes on Truth Social, and no bags of drugs are visible in the videos.

Additionally, most illicit fentanyl in the U.S. comes from Mexico, not Venezuela. It enters the U.S. mainly through the southern border at official ports of entry, and it's smuggled in mostly by U.S. citizens, according to the U.S. Sentencing Commission.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-trumps-claim-that-each-boat-strike-off-venezuelas-coast-saves-25000-lives

Good New Yorker article on the real reason...

...In August, however, the hard-liners began to win out, according to someone with knowledge of the Administration’s internal deliberations. The shift seemed to mark a victory for Rubio. But the change didn’t reflect Rubio’s influence so much as the involvement of a new player in the policy fight: Stephen Miller, the President’s deputy chief of staff and the head of the White House Homeland Security Council. “Miller sided with Rubio not because of regime change,” the source told me. Rather, it was because Venezuela presented “an outlet for the belief that the President can just kill these guys” as part of an open-ended war on drugs and crime. “Stephen is a lot of the energy behind the bombings,” the source said. “He is owning the Western Hemisphere portfolio: immigration, security issues, and going after the cartels. He convenes working groups almost every day. He’s been very top-down with the Department of Defense about what he wants to see. Hegseth’s team just says ‘yes.’ They don’t push back. Miller got told no for similar stuff in the first term. He doesn’t have people there to say ‘No, this isn’t a good idea’ anymore.”

For Miller, the military strikes help expand the President’s power, while also reinforcing the narrative of Venezuelan immigrants as “alien enemies.” As a former Trump Administration official put it, “this just feels like the militarization of domestic policy. How do you stay in power? You create an ‘other.’ You say that we’re under attack. You create a casus belli. You blame the other for everything. This is happening while you have the deployment of National Guardsmen to cities. You’re getting people used to these kinds of actions. This is expanding the definition of the use of force.”

The implications of Trump’s use of the military, the former White House official said, are not lost on other Latin American countries, either. “If you’re Panama, you think this is about you. If you’re Colombia, you think it’s about you,” he told me. “You prove to the Mexicans that you’ll do what you say. The Brazilians thought this was about them. If you think it’s a signal, it is a signal.”....

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-real-target-of-trumps-war-on-drug-boats

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something about possession of machine guns... lapfog_1 Jan 3 #1
Start locking up military people Historic NY Jan 3 #26
Cool EarlG Jan 3 #2
Don't be silly. This ain't your father's DOJ. Trumpdumper Jan 3 #3
Lol, good point EarlG Jan 3 #5
A juror could reasonably have a 'reasonable doubt' just because it's Trump et al Jack Valentino Jan 3 #24
But guess who did the first indictments - BILL BARR BumRushDaShow Jan 3 #11
NOW it all makes sense. Thank you for the Panama/Barr precedent. ancianita Jan 3 #16
IMHO, this is a BILL BARR PRODUCTION BumRushDaShow Jan 3 #18
I hope you're right. AND I hope there's intel that can prove you're right. ancianita Jan 3 #20
There was an article back in 2019 about his handling of the Mueller report BumRushDaShow Jan 3 #21
Thanks. These days, justifications, however flimsy, are made as deterrents to any of this ever seeing a courtroom ancianita Jan 3 #22
I heard a CBS news radio report this morning BumRushDaShow Jan 4 #34
Interesting... now I wonder who CBS's likely source was. ancianita Jan 4 #38
Is there a price tag on the pardon yet? Vinca Jan 3 #4
Bidding started at COL Mustard Jan 3 #6
Piker. Igel Jan 3 #10
LOLOLOL!!!! COL Mustard Jan 3 #12
Show me the hard proof, Bayard Jan 3 #7
Ya don't have to call me NAMES!!!! COL Mustard Jan 3 #13
Maduro, as President, should get the same delaying powers that Trump had. GreenWave Jan 3 #8
That would mean Maduro has to have enough funds on him for those kinds of legal moves. He doesn't. But the felon did. ancianita Jan 3 #17
If he's REALLY some kind of 'major drug kingpin', wouldn't he have some third-country bank accounts Jack Valentino Jan 3 #25
LOL ... like his federal public defender would run cash interference for him? Cute. You have to know this is about ancianita Jan 3 #27
Quite possibly you are smarter than me. You are obviously much better at 'word salad'. Jack Valentino Jan 3 #29
Okay. I understand we have different exposures to stuff. Sorry for the "you have to know." I didn't intend to patronize, ancianita Jan 3 #31
Thanks. I'm good with you also. Jack Valentino Jan 4 #32
Nah. Sometimes I just get carried away... ancianita Jan 4 #33
I think the question is, how much will Maduro have to give Trump for the pardon? LiberalArkie Jan 3 #9
"transport tons of cocaine to the United States," KS Toronado Jan 3 #14
It's because the coke is don jr. fav dope... Justice matters. Jan 3 #15
Good and reasonable question re fentanyl. But more often the felon broadly mixed it up, saying it was about drugs. ancianita Jan 3 #19
"Narco-terrorism" is not a thing. It is just a slogan. Bluetus Jan 3 #23
"They have no intention of this ever going to court. That's why Trump moved it to New York. He wants to blame Mamdani" BumRushDaShow Jan 4 #35
What's you r point? Bluetus Jan 4 #39
Well we know he is a pathological liar BumRushDaShow Jan 4 #40
Sure, but Trump will still blame "New York" Bluetus Jan 4 #42
That may be coming BumRushDaShow Jan 4 #44
"Narco-terrorism" is the latest in the grab words R's use to give their favorite media (Fox) something to hold onto. ificandream Jan 4 #41
Won't we have to prove Maduro was shipping drugs here and killing Americans? JohnnyRingo Jan 3 #28
Yep. Which is why the chances of him being convicted on those charges is extremely small. Wiz Imp Jan 3 #30
I don't see how they can convict Maduro of anything discussed in the indictment. Bluetus Jan 4 #43
The administration's conflation of The Wizard Jan 4 #36
Bullshit. Trump just freed two narcoterrorists. I hope the defense uses this in the trial. travelingthrulife Jan 4 #37
Maduro isn't a saint.. but ImmigrantsWGTJD Jan 4 #45
I hope they are tried in NYC. The Grand Illuminist Jan 4 #46
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