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muriel_volestrangler

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70. Trump wants to destabilise European democracy. Where on earth is parliament?
Thu Dec 11, 2025, 02:33 PM
Dec 11
You’d think MPs would be lining up to decry the US president’s support for far-right nationalists. Instead, only backbenchers and a few junior ministers bothered to turn up

Reform wasn’t alone in its cowardice. Kemi Badenoch, that proud defender of British democracy, was also nowhere to be seen. Nor indeed were any of her shadow cabinet. Instead it was left to Mike Wood, a shadow junior minister of such little importance that even he doesn’t have a clue what his job is meant to be, to speak for the Tory party.

In what may well be a first and last outing at the dispatch box for an urgent question, Mike managed to completely miss the point. At first he didn’t even seem to have grasped that the question was about the US security strategy. Instead he waffled on about the Tories promising to increase defence spending to 3%. No wonder the few MPs that were in the chamber looked baffled. And then when he did get to the strategy, he offered the remarkable observation that it was really all about China. People who were concerned about Russia were being neurotically conspiratorial. Almost as though the Tories were also going out of their way to appease The Donald.

Not to be left out, the Labour frontbench were also guilty of being absent without leave. Western’s urgent question had originally been directed at the chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster, but Darren Jones was nowhere to be seen. So the short straw went to Seema Malhotra, the lowest-ranked minister in the Foreign Office, to do the honours for the government. She looked miserable throughout.
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Then a few caveats. All done in a mumble. Hoping that no one in the US embassy was listening and would report back to the president. We did have a slightly different perspective on some things, she said almost inaudibly. But then again, too few to mention. It took a while but after a bit of pressing, she got round to saying that Sadiq Khan was doing a decent job. Though the president hadn’t in any way been racist in calling him a horrible, disgusting man. Would this do? Could she sit down now?

It was left to Western himself, with contributions from the Labour MPs Chi Onwurah, Liam Byrne and the Lib Dems Calum Miller and Bobby Dean to get to the heart of the matter: there was nothing remotely normal about the US security strategy. It was all there in black and white. A threat to destabilise European democracies. Support for far-right nationalists. Withdrawal from Nato. Support for Russia. It was a moment of existential crisis for Europe. It was time to wake up. When the US president says this stuff, you had better believe him. Just choosing to ignore it all, hoping things will work out if you don’t rock the boat was an abrogation of responsibility.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/11/asked-about-the-donalds-national-security-strategy-the-commons-was-remarkable-for-its-absences

The Labour leadership needs to find a backbone. They don't have to go the full "he's a corrupt, criminal, racist rapist"; just stand up for their own country, and for democracy and liberalism, in its widest sense. Labour backbenchers can do it. It's this cringing that enables Trump and his fellow democracy-haters.

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They would not get along................... Lovie777 Dec 10 #1
Leaders of those countries be like "So what's the problem?" durablend Dec 10 #5
They will eat each other if they were successful ...its "1984" fantasy. Escurumbele Dec 10 #45
"It reaffirms a withdrawal from Europe's defence, realignment with culturally aligned allies" Miguelito Loveless Dec 10 #2
And the recent sign on by Canada to the EU's defense strategy, as a partner. Bev54 Dec 10 #34
I am fully suspecting popsdenver Dec 10 #61
Racial "purity"? not fooled Dec 10 #59
Money and power are the only cultural alignments that matter. yardwork Dec 11 #65
Didn't these morons just say we had to get rid of all the brown people to travelingthrulife Dec 11 #66
japan??? lapfog_1 Dec 10 #3
The Russian economy is presently in a nose dive and will auger in soon. Brother Buzz Dec 10 #13
As is Japan's, their debt to GDP is in the toilet. Bev54 Dec 10 #35
Germany is too liberal for MAGA IronLionZion Dec 10 #42
Japan would need to tilt waaaay more to the right lapfog_1 Dec 10 #58
This is insane. mahina Dec 10 #4
Criminally insane. thought crime Dec 10 #17
It's New World Order insane blm Dec 10 #33
Totally blue-wave Dec 10 #46
The rotten people who want this can bronxiteforever Dec 10 #6
International WmChris Dec 10 #7
Say, Brain, what are we going to to today? PatrickforB Dec 10 #8
Italy and Hungary are financial drains on the EU. Will MAGA regime support them? It would cost more than Ukraine does. ChicagoTeamster Dec 10 #9
I think the inclusion of Poland and Austria points to Trump(ism) intending to interfere in their elections muriel_volestrangler Dec 10 #14
Most of the red states are a financial drain on the rest of the country Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 11 #64
This won't end well Bayard Dec 10 #10
DOA in the next Dem Administration thought crime Dec 10 #54
This has been the (Heritage) plan all along. 3825-87867 Dec 10 #11
I will see your Core 5 BidenRocks Dec 10 #12
Hungary is "aligned with Washington's values." WTF? surfered Dec 10 #15
You read that right orangecrush Dec 10 #18
"Orban is aligned with Stephen Miller's values" might be more accurate muriel_volestrangler Dec 10 #21
The republinazis like Orban's Hungary, area51 Dec 11 #68
Pretty close to Alexander Dugin's vision orangecrush Dec 10 #16
These guys are morons Red Mountain Dec 10 #19
I think you will find that it was written by a Russian, we just don't know the name. Bev54 Dec 10 #36
China also has a demographic time bomb. Lucky Luciano Dec 10 #43
Pardon me, but fuck this shit. Joinfortmill Dec 10 #20
Fuck this shit all to Hell. stage left Dec 10 #51
This is close to what Seth Abramson wrote about during TSF's first term. Dividing up the world for the wiggs Dec 10 #22
Bringing down this Criminal Enterprise is JOB ONE!!!!! BurnDoubt Dec 10 #23
3 countries from BRICS? ... aggiesal Dec 10 #24
I expect we may well see the EU along with UK and Australia, NZ and Canada and perhaps Bev54 Dec 10 #38
Umm... Rob H. Dec 10 #25
Yes, it is white nationalism - full racism, and Great Replacement Theory stuff muriel_volestrangler Dec 10 #27
Future prospects aren't good for Europe. WestMichRad Dec 10 #26
I don't think our prospects in THIS country slightlv Dec 10 #29
I think we'll manage to outlast Trump & the weird ideologues whispering in his ear. n/t TubbersUK Dec 10 #52
I hope this prez is dead in the grave, slightlv Dec 10 #28
This is the New World Order the 'patriots' worried about. blm Dec 10 #30
And then there were three C_U_L8R Dec 10 #31
Japan?? It is on the verge of bankruptcy Bev54 Dec 10 #32
Got a link? I seriously doubt this, and you might want to read more about it. ancianita Dec 10 #44
You think that is good news for Japan? Perhaps they do not think they are close to bankruptcy Bev54 Dec 10 #48
Just sayin' and linking why it's not "on the verge of bankruptcy," as you say. Given ancianita Dec 11 #67
Geez. Who else does he owe money? Kid Berwyn Dec 10 #37
Yikes! yellow dahlia Dec 10 #39
And this is how we Make America Great Again? nt Trueblue Texan Dec 10 #40
They're not hiding their Russian support anymore IronLionZion Dec 10 #41
Well, this is one way to start blue-wave Dec 10 #47
How are we "...culturally aligned..." with any of those? SKKY Dec 10 #49
The Enemy within. Mr. Sparkle Dec 10 #50
Sure... lonely bird Dec 10 #53
If the Saudis aren't sitting at the table, they own it. bluedigger Dec 10 #55
Oh no he didn't!!!!!!! Congress and the Senate aren't going to along with this one. Ford_Prefect Dec 10 #56
Well, to be very cold blooded Dan Dec 10 #57
Earth is a joke of a planet.nt jfz9580m Dec 10 #60
(Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland) are...potential candidates for...pulling them 'away from the [European Union],'... LudwigPastorius Dec 11 #62
This is why he is invading Venezuela. Bluetus Dec 11 #63
This Is Downright Nuts DallasNE Dec 11 #69
Trump wants to destabilise European democracy. Where on earth is parliament? muriel_volestrangler Dec 11 #70
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