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amcgrath

(419 posts)
17. Then Trump needs to get out
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 08:44 PM
Dec 6

There is no reason for the US to retain its forty or so bases in Europe. This includes it's many airbases and naval facilities which although "promoted" as forward bases against Russia, have in reality only ever been used as forward bases for attacking the Middle East, securing oil and "protecting" the Suez Canal.
It is almost certain that pulling out of Europe would also mean there would be restrictions on airspace across Europe for US military aircraft, with no refuelling, which would also mean no refuelling for tankers for refuelling in flight, and the closure of ports to the US throughout the Mediterranean.
To put into perspective what a "conflict" in the Middle East could look like in future, we can look at the recent bombing of Iran. For operational (and probably legal reasons) Trumps attack was sent from the USA. 6 bombers flew for 37 hours straight. Along the route they used another 125 support planes, including forward reconnaissance and 52 tankers, the bulk of those planes - not being engaged in actual bombing - would have left from European airbases. The mission inolved 4,000 personnel and was a failure. Without European bases, there would have been no refuelling or support for about 50% of the mission. It couldn't have happened.

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Does this mean we get free education, healthcare, month long vacations, Irish_Dem Dec 6 #1
No. You get nothing except European allies never trusting you again. And another stain on our country Evolve Dammit Dec 6 #6
Paying cash for our shame, humiliation, loss of our country. Irish_Dem Dec 6 #12
Post removed Post removed Dec 6 #13
Back in the day when we believed in democracy, freedom, rule of law. Irish_Dem Dec 6 #15
Hi, Vlad not fooled Dec 6 #19
Trump's U.S. loses credibility and moral legitimacy with each passing day bucolic_frolic Dec 6 #2
So much for us being the "Leader of the Free World" Nictuku Dec 6 #3
The Trump Magat goal: all white everywhere. ananda Dec 6 #4
So ... Trmp not only hates foreigners, he hates foreigners' foreigners ? Wouldn't that include us ? eppur_se_muova Dec 6 #5
I said years ago that the EU should imagine a world where they are estranged from the US and prepare for it. Solly Mack Dec 6 #7
Real headline: GOP gives green light for Putin to invade bronxiteforever Dec 6 #8
Luckily, Russia ground down its "glossy brochure" military in Ukraine. paleotn Dec 6 #9
Republicans are actually preparing all the NATO popsdenver Dec 6 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Omaha Steve Dec 6 #11
You could call it the law of unintended consequences if it wasn't so bloody predictable and ironic: Emrys Dec 6 #14
The next three years cannot pass fast enough. Sneederbunk Dec 6 #16
Then Trump needs to get out amcgrath Dec 6 #17
So if there are any drone attacks on Drumph golf courses, not only will there be no forces mustered. jls4561 Dec 6 #18
Trump disdains ALL foreigners, not just elites. He hates the elites because they see right through his cheap-ass bluff. Martin68 Dec 7 #20
So one Macron's predictions comes to fruition again. Xolodno Dec 7 #21
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