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onenote

(45,996 posts)
35. I'm absolutely, positively not wrong.
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 12:58 AM
Dec 6

Did you read the article? It's from June and it is about the decision on the application for a partial stay and was focused on the issue of whether a nationwide injunction was appropriate. The "fiery" dissent was on that issue. It wasn't on whether a petition for cert should be granted on the underlying question of the constitutionality of the executive order because, well, no such petition had been filed, something all of the justices acknowledged. Indeed, the upshot of the partial stay decision was that the injunction against the executive order remained in effect, but only with respect to the named plaintiffs in the lower court case, not nationwide. And, in fact, when the cases went back to the lower courts, they ended up being transformed into class actions and the executive order has been and remains effectively enjoined a nationwide basis.

The Court couldn't have already granted cert because no petition for cert was filed until September -- months after the Court's ruling on the partial stay -- and was only considered this week. Those are facts. Period.

It also is a fact, which I noted in my post, which I suggest that you re-read -- that the three liberal justices made clear that they believe the executive order is unconstitutional. I have no doubt that they still are of that view and I think they are correct. But is a a fact --again an undeniable fact -- that when the case was presented to them with a petition for certiorari on the question of the constitutionality of the order, they did not note their dissent to the granting of that petition. Why? I don't know. I'm sure its not because they have doubts about the constitutionality. Indeed, it is hardly unknown for the Court to affirm lower court decisions unanimously even when they've granted cert.

So, once again, the notion that they already had granted cert is simply, unequivocally wrong. They had no opportunity to do so until a petition was filed and that didn't happen until months after the separate, narrow ruling on the partial stay and the issue of nationwide injunctions.

I've read these decisions, and the dissents. I recommend you do the same.

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SCOTUS Sycophant Six plan to tamper with birthright citizenship, otherwise dobleremolque Dec 5 #1
Pretty sure we all know the answer Endlessmike56 Dec 5 #2
You're exactly right. PSPS Dec 5 #7
13th, 14th and 15th are invalid? Retrograde Dec 5 #13
He'll cite another 17th century Brit jurist wolfie001 Dec 5 #25
'Executive Orders as Lawmaking' needs to end C_U_L8R Dec 5 #3
This court, this regime 31st Street Bridge Dec 5 #4
They are making their move to completely take over our laws bluestarone Dec 5 #5
Precedence... Republicans say that Hitler did some good things. Norrrm Dec 5 #6
I have to believe they will rule against Trump iemanja Dec 5 #8
Impeaching them would just have the Republicans blocking it (nt) muriel_volestrangler Dec 5 #9
I didn't mean now iemanja Dec 5 #14
Impeachment needs two thirds in the Senate muriel_volestrangler Dec 5 #17
You're probably right. iemanja Dec 5 #21
Such a ruling would instantly make the court powerless and irrelevant Fiendish Thingy Dec 5 #11
Has a transition team been assigned for when he, well, you know, croaks. twodogsbarking Dec 5 #10
Roughly like this? muriel_volestrangler Dec 5 #12
No dissents to the grant of certiorari were noted. onenote Dec 5 #15
SCOTUS already granted certiorari months ago for the injunction issue (with vociferous dissents from the 3 liberals). SunSeeker Dec 5 #29
You are mistaken. onenote Dec 5 #32
It is you who is mistaken. There is absolutely no basis to suggest that Sotomayor, Jackson and Kagan have flipped. SunSeeker Dec 6 #33
I'm absolutely, positively not wrong. onenote Dec 6 #35
Sotomayor, Jackson and Kagan have not flipped. You are dead wrong in suggesting they did. nt SunSeeker Dec 6 #36
Wow. Just wow. onenote Dec 6 #38
You started this be saying no dissents were noted. What was your point other than to suggest they flipped? SunSeeker Dec 7 #39
My point was to make clear no one had noted a dissent. Nothing more or less. onenote Dec 7 #40
So you just made a pointless post. Got it. nt SunSeeker Dec 7 #41
And you stand by your lie about when cert was granted. Got it. nt onenote Dec 7 #43
I didn't lie about when cert was granted. I'm not the one telling lies here. nt SunSeeker Dec 8 #44
Yeah you did. onenote Dec 8 #45
No I didn't. As I said, the prior ruling, with 3 dissents, involved the exact same Executive Order. SunSeeker Dec 8 #46
You said certiorari had been granted. It hadn't and you have to know that by now. Not even the same case. onenote Dec 9 #47
The cases are all about the same birthright citizenship EO. It's all a bullshit game by the SCOTUS conservatives. SunSeeker Dec 9 #48
john brown's body struggle4progress Dec 5 #16
Battle Cry of Freedom struggle4progress Dec 5 #18
Marching Through Georgia struggle4progress Dec 5 #19
Nazi Punks Fuck Off struggle4progress Dec 5 #20
This is the litmus test case I have been fearing. TomSlick Dec 5 #22
Originalists, my ass! WTF is there to decide? OMGWTF Dec 5 #23
While they are at it just give him immunity..............oh yeah the 6 maga POS already did that........... turbinetree Dec 5 #24
Absolutely disgusting. There is no reason to take up Trump's patently ridiculous argument. SunSeeker Dec 5 #26
They took this case in order to overturn the law. johnnyfins Dec 5 #27
It just takes four to agree to take a case Dangling0826 Dec 5 #28
Asking seriously: which is easier... Shipwack Dec 5 #30
Expansion is by simple Congressional legislation. Blasphemer Dec 6 #34
Practical Aspect Considerations DallasNE Dec 5 #31
Imo, fwiw, which is nothing... lonely bird Dec 6 #37
These people are partisan political operatives... RetiredParatrooper Dec 7 #42
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