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In reply to the discussion: Trump administration deports hundreds of migrants even as judge orders that removals be stopped [View all]cadoman
(1,617 posts)25. an act of war isn't necessary to invoke the act, see below
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/21
"Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. "'
The evidence that TdA is acting on behalf of, or perhaps even as a foreign government is summarized in the EO:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/invocation-of-the-alien-enemies-act-regarding-the-invasion-of-the-united-states-by-tren-de-aragua/
"TdA is closely aligned with, and indeed has infiltrated, the Maduro regime, including its military and law enforcement apparatus. TdA grew significantly while Tareck El Aissami served as governor of Aragua between 2012 and 2017. In 2017, El Aissami was appointed as Vice President of Venezuela. Soon thereafter, the United States Department of the Treasury designated El Aissami as a Specially Designated Narcotics Trafficker under the Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act, 21 U.S.C. 1901 et seq. El Aissami is currently a United States fugitive facing charges arising from his violations of United States sanctions triggered by his Department of the Treasury designation."
Like El Aissami, Nicolas Maduro, who claims to act as Venezuelas President and asserts control over the security forces and other authorities in Venezuela, also maintains close ties to regime-sponsored narco-terrorists. Maduro leads the regime-sponsored enterprise Cártel de los Soles, which coordinates with and relies on TdA and other organizations to carry out its objective of using illegal narcotics as a weapon to flood the United States. In 2020, Maduro and other regime members were charged with narcoterrorism and other crimes in connection with this plot against America.
Over the years, Venezuelan national and local authorities have ceded ever-greater control over their territories to transnational criminal organizations, including TdA. The result is a hybrid criminal state that is perpetrating an invasion of and predatory incursion into the United States, and which poses a substantial danger to the United States. Indeed, in December 2024, INTERPOL Washington confirmed: Tren de Aragua has emerged as a significant threat to the United States as it infiltrates migration flows from Venezuela. Evidence irrefutably demonstrates that TdA has invaded the United States and continues to invade, attempt to invade, and threaten to invade the country; perpetrated irregular warfare within the country; and used drug trafficking as a weapon against our citizens."
And admittedly, I misunderstand the "wartime" aspect of how this is being processed in one of my other comments as I thought they were taking a different legal angle.
"Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. "'
The evidence that TdA is acting on behalf of, or perhaps even as a foreign government is summarized in the EO:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/invocation-of-the-alien-enemies-act-regarding-the-invasion-of-the-united-states-by-tren-de-aragua/
"TdA is closely aligned with, and indeed has infiltrated, the Maduro regime, including its military and law enforcement apparatus. TdA grew significantly while Tareck El Aissami served as governor of Aragua between 2012 and 2017. In 2017, El Aissami was appointed as Vice President of Venezuela. Soon thereafter, the United States Department of the Treasury designated El Aissami as a Specially Designated Narcotics Trafficker under the Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act, 21 U.S.C. 1901 et seq. El Aissami is currently a United States fugitive facing charges arising from his violations of United States sanctions triggered by his Department of the Treasury designation."
Like El Aissami, Nicolas Maduro, who claims to act as Venezuelas President and asserts control over the security forces and other authorities in Venezuela, also maintains close ties to regime-sponsored narco-terrorists. Maduro leads the regime-sponsored enterprise Cártel de los Soles, which coordinates with and relies on TdA and other organizations to carry out its objective of using illegal narcotics as a weapon to flood the United States. In 2020, Maduro and other regime members were charged with narcoterrorism and other crimes in connection with this plot against America.
Over the years, Venezuelan national and local authorities have ceded ever-greater control over their territories to transnational criminal organizations, including TdA. The result is a hybrid criminal state that is perpetrating an invasion of and predatory incursion into the United States, and which poses a substantial danger to the United States. Indeed, in December 2024, INTERPOL Washington confirmed: Tren de Aragua has emerged as a significant threat to the United States as it infiltrates migration flows from Venezuela. Evidence irrefutably demonstrates that TdA has invaded the United States and continues to invade, attempt to invade, and threaten to invade the country; perpetrated irregular warfare within the country; and used drug trafficking as a weapon against our citizens."
And admittedly, I misunderstand the "wartime" aspect of how this is being processed in one of my other comments as I thought they were taking a different legal angle.
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Trump administration deports hundreds of migrants even as judge orders that removals be stopped [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
OP
No. It's. Not. -- executive is not obligated to follow an unconstitutional judicial order
cadoman
Mar 2025
#5
Honest question: What was illegal about the deportation of the "Venezuelan gang members?"
Polybius
Mar 2025
#14
What was "illegal" was the use of the "Alien Enemies Act of 1798" to do it
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
#20
When I saw saw your reply, I was literally listening to a local news radio report on this very subject
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
#23
While your intent may be laudable your understanding of the legal case at hand and
moniss
Mar 2025
#16
that is essentially what the EO asserts, it uses the term "hybrid criminal state" (nt)
cadoman
Mar 2025
#31
I don't believe they are all gang members any more than I believe "their eating the cats and dogs".
Cobalt Violet
Mar 2025
#24
"It would be a mistake to use our political capital protecting TdA terrorists"
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
#3
you do know that the ACLU battled a far more extreme use of this power and lost, right?
cadoman
Mar 2025
#7
agree, and the plaintiffs will have to prove that TdA is an independent org from Venezuela
cadoman
Mar 2025
#37
we have a shit-ton of overcrowded and poorly-funded facilities that desperately need to be improved
cadoman
Mar 2025
#10
The problem -AGAIN- is the use of the authority from the "Alien Enemies Act of 1798"
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
#34