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iemanja

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21. My point seems to have escaped you
Sun Mar 16, 2025, 01:26 AM
Mar 2025

What I demonstrated, factually, is that the movements I sited used similar and more violent tactics than did the pro-Palestinian protests. Most Democrats, yourself included, support these movements, at least retroactively. The difference lies in the content of their speech, something you welcome seeing punished despite the fact that entails an alliance with the Trump administration’s authoritarian efforts to undermine and eradicate the First Amendment. You may think all that is happening now is fine because Trump has chosen easy targets, among them Palestinians and universities. You don’t like the pro-Palestinian protestors and are happy to see them punished, yet you seemingly fail to see the context: that this is one prong in Trump’s efforts to destroy constitutional protections and establish a fully totalitarian state. The First Amendment doesn’t exist to protect speech we all agree with. Its importance lies in its protection of speech we find disagreeable. The evocation of crimes such as occupying buildings is not a legitimate reason to support the administration’s actions if you support the historical movements you claim to. It is rather hypocritical and dangerously so.

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If they actually took over a University building, what did they expect. JohnSJ Mar 2025 #1
Fucked around and found out. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2025 #2
Since when did protesting about tens of thousands of dead kids become bad? womanofthehills Mar 2025 #17
Uh-huh NoRethugFriends Mar 2025 #26
how exactly do you revoke a degree for a protest moonshinegnomie Mar 2025 #3
I didn't know Dumpy Mar 2025 #4
Revoke the degree? Then give the moniss Mar 2025 #5
The support for this from those who oppose iemanja Mar 2025 #6
Campus protest intelpug Mar 2025 #8
I ask that you read my post iemanja Mar 2025 #9
Point's you've made intelpug Mar 2025 #19
My point seems to have escaped you iemanja Mar 2025 #21
It's like you forgot the 60s even happened. maxsolomon Mar 2025 #10
Well, they most certainly do have a right not to be harassed Polybius Mar 2025 #12
I don't know if you have a right not to see or be impacted by a protest. maxsolomon Mar 2025 #14
Protest intelpug Mar 2025 #18
Right's intelpug Mar 2025 #20
Did Viet Nam war protesters tell Jews to "go back to Poland?" Jose Garcia Mar 2025 #11
What evidence do you have that these individuals engaged in such speech or physical intimidation? iemanja Mar 2025 #13
Well, if it will help you change your mind, here it is: Beastly Boy Mar 2025 #15
Free speech & protesting is fine..... however when you are here on a visa... EX500rider Mar 2025 #16
This OP makes no reference to the iemanja Mar 2025 #22
Also regardless of citizenship status EX500rider Mar 2025 #23
And those consequences are typically fines iemanja Mar 2025 #24
When they occupied the building they prevented employees from leaving MichMan Mar 2025 #30
and? iemanja Mar 2025 #31
You think a fine is what is usually given for false imprisonment? MichMan Mar 2025 #32
What evidence do you have of a charge of false imprisonment? iemanja Mar 2025 #35
I don't agree that occupying university buildings, vandalism, and preventing employees from leaving is free speech MichMan Mar 2025 #37
Antisemitism, as odious as it is, iemanja Mar 2025 #39
the protesters could have/should have been charged with 3rd degree burglary for what they did rollin74 Mar 2025 #25
Were the Weather Underground justified in planting bombs ? MichMan Mar 2025 #28
No, and all crimes have consequences iemanja Mar 2025 #29
Jewish Voices for Peace in Trump Tower today womanofthehills Mar 2025 #7
Jewish Voice for Peace NoRethugFriends Mar 2025 #27
Expelled...suspended...fine. LudwigPastorius Mar 2025 #33
From a speech Cindy Sheehan gave just before setting up camp outside GWBush's Crawford ranch: snot Mar 2025 #34
What does the student handbook say? stoned Mar 2025 #36
So why did it take Columbia a YEAR to expel students? BlueHurricane Mar 2025 #38
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