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EX500rider

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12. Battery backup was a option for the data recorders before 2010
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 06:30 PM
Jan 2025

Last edited Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:11 PM - Edit history (1)

This plane was a 2009 ordered without it by Ryanair.

Lots of discussion @ Airliners.net about how they could have lost both generators but still had enough thrust for a go around, best theory IMO so far involves tripping breakers:


The recorders will still cover the period from the initial (likely) birdstrike to whatever caused the second generator to go offline. That will tell us what went wrong at first, and likely indicate what caused the loss of each generator (excessive N2 variation, flameout, shutdown).

At the point when ADS-B cut out, they were ~500ft and didn't have nearly enough energy to overfly the runway and do a teardrop without further thrust, so at least one engine was producing at least partial thrust for a good chunk of that 4-minute period. You can't glide for four minutes from that, let alone accelerate to ~200kt. 1549 glided for about 10nm; this flight would have been about three-quarters that length it appears, scaling off some peoples' indicative tracks, plus with much more turn (which eats up energy).

The generators on the 737 do not automatically come on bus. Flight crew action is needed to reset them if they trip. I am wondering if the stalls caused changes in N2 RPM that were too fast for the constant speed drive to handle, so frequency excursion tripped the generator off bus.

I think this somewhat fits the 'shut down wrong engine' hypothesis. GEN 2 (probably) dropped offline during the initial birdstrike. GEN 1 dropped offline when the crew shut down engine 1, or possibly during a separate second birdstrike, but I feel this is unlikely.

Like in Transair 810, the failed engine continued providing not quite enough thrust to maintain level flight, forcing this flight to attempt a teardrop to land.

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Just how in the hell does this happen? Codifer Jan 2025 #1
S. Korean's probably deleted last 4 minutes then sent to NTSB afterwards. Whoops. spudspud Jan 2025 #21
Not possible... regnaD kciN Jan 2025 #28
It's happened more than once EX500rider Jan 2025 #30
Are you saying there is no possible way to have removed the data then damaged it so the NTSB could repair it afterwards spudspud Jan 2025 #31
And why would the South Korean Transportation Ministry do that? EX500rider Jan 2025 #36
How it could have happened? Scully Jan 2025 #22
This is an interesting analysis wackadoo wabbit Jan 2025 #23
Yeah I lean towards pilot error/bad CRM EX500rider Jan 2025 #27
And on top of that blowing the teardrop back to the field, ending up way long & fast EX500rider Jan 2025 #37
Something Bad Happened on this Plane Oneear Jan 2025 #2
Not buying it. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #3
And they DID "withstand" it... regnaD kciN Jan 2025 #29
Do you think there's a cover up? PJMcK Jan 2025 #33
Any time a malfunction results in someone making a huge amount of money Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #34
But neither the airport nor the airline would have had control of the boxes EX500rider Jan 2025 #35
Yeah, that's the ticket! Prairie Gates Jan 2025 #4
It's sometimes months before the boxes are found dickthegrouch Jan 2025 #5
Don't think any of this is going to be a Boeing issue EX500rider Jan 2025 #13
I was curious. Igel Jan 2025 #17
It has to have an internal battery failsafe. I see TWO investigations. Festivito Jan 2025 #6
Actually they don't have internal batteries. Angleae Jan 2025 #7
Me thinks something stinks in this story. I guess the engineers that designed flashman13 Jan 2025 #8
If an aircraft experiences a total power failure VMA131Marine Jan 2025 #10
If all that you have is the battery that last thing you want to do is try and start the APU. Angleae Jan 2025 #11
From what i have read the black boxes are not on the short list of the things the batteries power EX500rider Jan 2025 #38
Boeing again.... yardwork Jan 2025 #9
Don't think it will be a manufacturer issue in this case, more like pilot error EX500rider Jan 2025 #14
Battery backup was a option for the data recorders before 2010 EX500rider Jan 2025 #12
Shrapnel damage is obvious. BidenRocks Jan 2025 #15
Wrong crash. Igel Jan 2025 #18
Oops! BidenRocks Jan 2025 #19
My understanding is that after the initial go around mn9driver Jan 2025 #16
No, this whole thing happened in minutes EX500rider Jan 2025 #24
Is there any way they could have been jammed orangecrush Jan 2025 #20
Power loss by losing both gens, see my post#12 EX500rider Jan 2025 #25
HelloooooOOOOOOOO ConspiracyLand!!!!! We've got a banger for you today! RockRaven Jan 2025 #26
Don't tell me you think MAGA will find a way to put this on Biden?!?! OrwellwasRight Jan 2025 #32
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