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46. I haven't seen any evidence that it influenced voters. Those who

Reply to Martin Eden (Reply #44)

Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:36 PM

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Were concerned about it probably had other reasons for voting against her as well.

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Biden says he 'would have beaten Trump' but withdrew to unify Democrats [View all] Polybius Jan 11 OP

So qazplm135 Jan 11 #1

Party pushed him out because they panicked over one bad debate. Obama had one bad debate too, and party wanted to push emulatorloo Jan 11 #49

I saw that debate. Trump wouldn't STFU and nobody stopped him. Initech Jan 11 #52

At the time focus groups thought Biden did better than Trump. Trump's nonsense reminded them of how crazy Trump is. emulatorloo Jan 11 #59

People don't want to be "governed". They think that is automatic and will never change. hadEnuf Jan 11 #72

I have been saying for years, OrwellwasRight Jan 12 #103

His problems started way before that debate AkFemDem Jan 11 #54

Made up problems by selective editing on Fox News and ridiculous BS pedaled by the likes of dishonest "influencers" like emulatorloo Jan 11 #57

No one paid attention to her qazplm135 Jan 11 #90

No comparison. Obama had a lackluster debate (at least by Obama standards) LeftInTX Jan 11 #63

Revisionist history. Romney won that debate, Obama lost it badly. And there were plenty of calls for Obama to drop out emulatorloo Jan 11 #64

They weren't serious calls. LeftInTX Jan 11 #65

There were multiple serious editorials in the press. You don't get to claim those calls for Obama to drop out were emulatorloo Jan 11 #67

Was Democratic leadership telling him to drop out? Did major donors stop donating? Did Pelosi ask him to quit? LeftInTX Jan 11 #69

Apples and Oranges. Pelosi lost her mind. Sorry, we're not going "post-truth" on DU like Facebook etc. emulatorloo Jan 11 #70

They were bashing him in 2010. They told him to get out before the debate LeftInTX Jan 11 #71

Democrats were pushing him to drop out hadEnuf Jan 11 #73

Which ones? It turns out those two were actually Republican turncoats who were Romney supporters. LeftInTX Jan 11 #75

Go ahead and link them qazplm135 Jan 11 #87

We kind of figured he felt he could win Frasier Balzov Jan 11 #2

What we didn't know is that he still believes that. Bluetus Jan 11 #20

He would have been annihilated BeyondGeography Jan 11 #3

He's playing Trump stollen Jan 11 #4

Agree that it bothers Trump BeyondGeography Jan 11 #5

There's delusion going on but it's not President Biden. William769 Jan 11 #7

Post removed Post removed Jan 11 #29

Exactly. It's an untestable hypothesis. Chump usually LOVES those, Captain Zero Jan 11 #18

+++++ 1,000's of rec h2ebits Jan 11 #51

Which gaffe was that? Polybius Jan 11 #6

How soon we forget BeyondGeography Jan 11 #9

Maybe. But Who knows quakerboy Jan 11 #10

Fair point. AkFemDem Jan 11 #55

And at this stage of his decline, the "gotcha" press Bluetus Jan 11 #21

You completely underestimate the misogynistic nature of "Mericans. Ferrets are Cool Jan 11 #31

Biden deserved better than he received. shotten99 Jan 11 #8

This. He's the first president whose positive impact on my life I have unequivocally felt... Alice B. Jan 11 #22

I'm going to.be pissed off over that until the day I die. BigmanPigman Jan 11 #40

I do think there are people that didn't vote for Harris becsuse she is a woman JI7 Jan 11 #11

In addition to the people above, I believe the Gaza War subtracted slivers of 3 kinds of voters Tetrachloride Jan 11 #19

My sense is that a lot of conservatives want out of all foreign conflicts. yardwork Jan 11 #36

yes, a large faction is what I gather. But they might be bandwagon group. Tetrachloride Jan 11 #37

I want out of all foreign conflicts too LearnedHand Jan 11 #61

I'm not sure what you would suggest Ukraine do. yardwork Jan 11 #82

Yeah I wouldn't want to abandon Ukraine LearnedHand Jan 11 #88

I think we may have misunderstood one another. yardwork Jan 14 #108

From what I heard on the news, apparently too many voters didn't know who she was! Rhiannon12866 Jan 11 #23

I love Joe, but he should not have run for a 2nd term. Martin Eden Jan 11 #12

No, she was handicapped because she is female. Americans suck...at least 50% of them. Ferrets are Cool Jan 11 #32

None of us can prove anything, but IMHO, I don't think the "anointment" made much, if any, difference. spooky3 Jan 11 #42

Don't underestimate the power of the primary Martin Eden Jan 11 #44

I haven't seen any evidence that it influenced voters. Those who spooky3 Jan 11 #46

Negative impact in the context of what happened is one thing Martin Eden Jan 11 #48

Don't underestimate the incumbency advantage. Also don't overestimate "battle tested" in an open primary. emulatorloo Jan 11 #56

Hillary Clinton was widely disliked long before the primary, mostly due to decades of rightwing smears Martin Eden Jan 11 #78

I'm certain that Biden would have won in 2016. yardwork Jan 11 #83

History would say otherwise MichMan Jan 11 #95

Biden has never lost a general election though. That's history too. emulatorloo Jan 11 #97

In addition, only one sitting VP has won election since 1836, and that was also in 1988. MichMan Jan 11 #98

2016 was an incredibly close election, just as 2024 was. yardwork Jan 12 #105

and maybe the orange anus would have beaten him in 2020 even with a pandemic pstokely Jan 12 #102

Clinton had high favorability numbers during and after her tenure as Secretary of State. emulatorloo Jan 11 #96

I thought Biden was a good president, but that kind gives credit to the dementia thing. doc03 Jan 11 #13

Did the lack of a red wave in 2022 change his plans? pstokely Jan 11 #14

Good question. nt spooky3 Jan 11 #43

I've always thought that that was exactly it Polybius Jan 11 #53

There's nothing wrong w Biden's cognitive function and you know it. Unrec for buying into talking points from MAGA emulatorloo Jan 11 #60

It was obvious for a long time physically but doc03 Jan 11 #68

He will always be 1 - 0 against TSF. Rhiagel Jan 11 #15

He wouldn't have beat him, but I've been watching the felon for 40 years. Scrivener7 Jan 11 #16

He's delusional. speak easy Jan 11 #17

Implying there's a tradeoff between victory and unity FBaggins Jan 11 #24

I just don't see it. I think Biden would have lost too. To much Musk. BradBo Jan 11 #25

"I could have beaten Trump" was the only answer Joe could give. sop Jan 11 #26

President Biden was an awesome President PennRalphie Jan 11 #27

The truth is we don't really know the answer dlk Jan 11 #28

I agree with Joe. hamsterjill Jan 11 #30

Possible due to baked in white + man vote kerouac2 Jan 11 #33

Yes. Continuous campaign. Going forward. No reason to go silent now. Keep up the pressure bucolic_frolic Jan 11 #35

I don't want us piled with regrets, but don't dismiss Biden's claim outright bucolic_frolic Jan 11 #34

Let's not forget Gymbo Jan 11 #38

Gosh...At the end of 2024, this should have been the story of the year. Not just Clooney, but the whole dogpile LeftInTX Jan 11 #39

Will this become a precedent moving forward ? MichMan Jan 11 #41

I love Biden, but let's not have short memories about this. Music Man Jan 11 #45

Let's not forget that Biden was counted out in 2020 nuxvomica Jan 11 #47

+ 1000 emulatorloo Jan 11 #62

No one was questioning his competency qazplm135 Jan 11 #89

In 2020 some DU'ers where claiming Biden was a senile racist rapist. emulatorloo Jan 11 #99

So this is more about qazplm135 Jan 11 #100

IMO, a lot of the pure enthusiasm for Harris was precisely because she wasn't Biden. MichMan Jan 11 #74

I agree with this assessment - democrats would've had a better chance TBF Jan 11 #77

There was no "beating Trump" this time. The fuckheads that be (Fox / Heritage / Federalist) already wrote the script. Initech Jan 11 #50

Of course he isn't going to say he would lose JBTaurus83 Jan 11 #58

Absolutely! Uncle Joe's one sly ol' fox... GoldenMezzoDiva Jan 11 #66

Counter-factual. malthaussen Jan 11 #76

A primary would have been nice JoseBalow Jan 11 #79

We'll never truly know if he could've won but we should remember why Biden was the nominee in 2020 Seasider Jan 11 #80

The inability of Democrats to articulate Biden's successes, and the narrative the GOP created on inflation lees1975 Jan 11 #81

Could have, would have, should have...2nd thoughts and more, in analyzing what happened in the 2024 election SWBTATTReg Jan 11 #84

One government, of the money, by the money, for the money. bucolic_frolic Jan 11 #86

Sadly, how true. SWBTATTReg Jan 11 #91

Like how? Nasruddin Jan 11 #85

Joe Biden has never lost a general election. emulatorloo Jan 11 #94

Biden didn't actually say that Progressive dog Jan 11 #92

Joe Biden is absolutely the best President we have had since FDR/LBJ SnoopDog Jan 11 #93

There is no way he would have won. NH Ethylene Jan 12 #101

Honestly, he shouldn't have run for a Luciferous Jan 12 #104

I wish Biden would shut the hell up. Martin68 Jan 12 #106

He is of course, 100% correct -- His own party fucked him Blue_Tires Jan 12 #107