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9. How soon we forget

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Biden says he 'would have beaten Trump' but withdrew to unify Democrats [View all] Polybius Saturday OP

So qazplm135 Saturday #1

Party pushed him out because they panicked over one bad debate. Obama had one bad debate too, and party wanted to push emulatorloo Saturday #49

I saw that debate. Trump wouldn't STFU and nobody stopped him. Initech Saturday #52

At the time focus groups thought Biden did better than Trump. Trump's nonsense reminded them of how crazy Trump is. emulatorloo Saturday #59

People don't want to be "governed". They think that is automatic and will never change. hadEnuf Saturday #72

I have been saying for years, OrwellwasRight Yesterday #103

His problems started way before that debate AkFemDem Saturday #54

Made up problems by selective editing on Fox News and ridiculous BS pedaled by the likes of dishonest "influencers" like emulatorloo Saturday #57

No one paid attention to her qazplm135 Saturday #90

No comparison. Obama had a lackluster debate (at least by Obama standards) LeftInTX Saturday #63

Revisionist history. Romney won that debate, Obama lost it badly. And there were plenty of calls for Obama to drop out emulatorloo Saturday #64

They weren't serious calls. LeftInTX Saturday #65

There were multiple serious editorials in the press. You don't get to claim those calls for Obama to drop out were emulatorloo Saturday #67

Was Democratic leadership telling him to drop out? Did major donors stop donating? Did Pelosi ask him to quit? LeftInTX Saturday #69

Apples and Oranges. Pelosi lost her mind. Sorry, we're not going "post-truth" on DU like Facebook etc. emulatorloo Saturday #70

They were bashing him in 2010. They told him to get out before the debate LeftInTX Saturday #71

Democrats were pushing him to drop out hadEnuf Saturday #73

Which ones? It turns out those two were actually Republican turncoats who were Romney supporters. LeftInTX Saturday #75

Go ahead and link them qazplm135 Saturday #87

We kind of figured he felt he could win Frasier Balzov Saturday #2

What we didn't know is that he still believes that. Bluetus Saturday #20

He would have been annihilated BeyondGeography Saturday #3

He's playing Trump stollen Saturday #4

Agree that it bothers Trump BeyondGeography Saturday #5

There's delusion going on but it's not President Biden. William769 Saturday #7

Post removed Post removed Saturday #29

Exactly. It's an untestable hypothesis. Chump usually LOVES those, Captain Zero Saturday #18

+++++ 1,000's of rec h2ebits Saturday #51

Which gaffe was that? Polybius Saturday #6

How soon we forget BeyondGeography Saturday #9

Maybe. But Who knows quakerboy Saturday #10

Fair point. AkFemDem Saturday #55

And at this stage of his decline, the "gotcha" press Bluetus Saturday #21

You completely underestimate the misogynistic nature of "Mericans. Ferrets are Cool Saturday #31

Biden deserved better than he received. shotten99 Saturday #8

This. He's the first president whose positive impact on my life I have unequivocally felt... Alice B. Saturday #22

I'm going to.be pissed off over that until the day I die. BigmanPigman Saturday #40

I do think there are people that didn't vote for Harris becsuse she is a woman JI7 Saturday #11

In addition to the people above, I believe the Gaza War subtracted slivers of 3 kinds of voters Tetrachloride Saturday #19

My sense is that a lot of conservatives want out of all foreign conflicts. yardwork Saturday #36

yes, a large faction is what I gather. But they might be bandwagon group. Tetrachloride Saturday #37

I want out of all foreign conflicts too LearnedHand Saturday #61

I'm not sure what you would suggest Ukraine do. yardwork Saturday #82

Yeah I wouldn't want to abandon Ukraine LearnedHand Saturday #88

From what I heard on the news, apparently too many voters didn't know who she was! Rhiannon12866 Saturday #23

I love Joe, but he should not have run for a 2nd term. Martin Eden Saturday #12

No, she was handicapped because she is female. Americans suck...at least 50% of them. Ferrets are Cool Saturday #32

None of us can prove anything, but IMHO, I don't think the "anointment" made much, if any, difference. spooky3 Saturday #42

Don't underestimate the power of the primary Martin Eden Saturday #44

I haven't seen any evidence that it influenced voters. Those who spooky3 Saturday #46

Negative impact in the context of what happened is one thing Martin Eden Saturday #48

Don't underestimate the incumbency advantage. Also don't overestimate "battle tested" in an open primary. emulatorloo Saturday #56

Hillary Clinton was widely disliked long before the primary, mostly due to decades of rightwing smears Martin Eden Saturday #78

I'm certain that Biden would have won in 2016. yardwork Saturday #83

History would say otherwise MichMan Saturday #95

Biden has never lost a general election though. That's history too. emulatorloo Saturday #97

In addition, only one sitting VP has won election since 1836, and that was also in 1988. MichMan Saturday #98

2016 was an incredibly close election, just as 2024 was. yardwork Yesterday #105

and maybe the orange anus would have beaten him in 2020 even with a pandemic pstokely Yesterday #102

Clinton had high favorability numbers during and after her tenure as Secretary of State. emulatorloo Saturday #96

I thought Biden was a good president, but that kind gives credit to the dementia thing. doc03 Saturday #13

Did the lack of a red wave in 2022 change his plans? pstokely Saturday #14

Good question. nt spooky3 Saturday #43

I've always thought that that was exactly it Polybius Saturday #53

There's nothing wrong w Biden's cognitive function and you know it. Unrec for buying into talking points from MAGA emulatorloo Saturday #60

It was obvious for a long time physically but doc03 Saturday #68

He will always be 1 - 0 against TSF. Rhiagel Saturday #15

He wouldn't have beat him, but I've been watching the felon for 40 years. Scrivener7 Saturday #16

He's delusional. speak easy Saturday #17

Implying there's a tradeoff between victory and unity FBaggins Saturday #24

I just don't see it. I think Biden would have lost too. To much Musk. BradBo Saturday #25

"I could have beaten Trump" was the only answer Joe could give. sop Saturday #26

President Biden was an awesome President PennRalphie Saturday #27

The truth is we don't really know the answer dlk Saturday #28

I agree with Joe. hamsterjill Saturday #30

Possible due to baked in white + man vote kerouac2 Saturday #33

Yes. Continuous campaign. Going forward. No reason to go silent now. Keep up the pressure bucolic_frolic Saturday #35

I don't want us piled with regrets, but don't dismiss Biden's claim outright bucolic_frolic Saturday #34

Let's not forget Gymbo Saturday #38

Gosh...At the end of 2024, this should have been the story of the year. Not just Clooney, but the whole dogpile LeftInTX Saturday #39

Will this become a precedent moving forward ? MichMan Saturday #41

I love Biden, but let's not have short memories about this. Music Man Saturday #45

Let's not forget that Biden was counted out in 2020 nuxvomica Saturday #47

+ 1000 emulatorloo Saturday #62

No one was questioning his competency qazplm135 Saturday #89

In 2020 some DU'ers where claiming Biden was a senile racist rapist. emulatorloo Saturday #99

So this is more about qazplm135 Saturday #100

IMO, a lot of the pure enthusiasm for Harris was precisely because she wasn't Biden. MichMan Saturday #74

I agree with this assessment - democrats would've had a better chance TBF Saturday #77

There was no "beating Trump" this time. The fuckheads that be (Fox / Heritage / Federalist) already wrote the script. Initech Saturday #50

Of course he isn't going to say he would lose JBTaurus83 Saturday #58

Absolutely! Uncle Joe's one sly ol' fox... GoldenMezzoDiva Saturday #66

Counter-factual. malthaussen Saturday #76

A primary would have been nice JoseBalow Saturday #79

We'll never truly know if he could've won but we should remember why Biden was the nominee in 2020 Seasider Saturday #80

The inability of Democrats to articulate Biden's successes, and the narrative the GOP created on inflation lees1975 Saturday #81

Could have, would have, should have...2nd thoughts and more, in analyzing what happened in the 2024 election SWBTATTReg Saturday #84

One government, of the money, by the money, for the money. bucolic_frolic Saturday #86

Sadly, how true. SWBTATTReg Saturday #91

Like how? Nasruddin Saturday #85

Joe Biden has never lost a general election. emulatorloo Saturday #94

Biden didn't actually say that Progressive dog Saturday #92

Joe Biden is absolutely the best President we have had since FDR/LBJ SnoopDog Saturday #93

There is no way he would have won. NH Ethylene Yesterday #101

Honestly, he shouldn't have run for a Luciferous Yesterday #104

I wish Biden would shut the hell up. Martin68 Yesterday #106

He is of course, 100% correct -- His own party fucked him Blue_Tires Yesterday #107