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Marthe48

(22,570 posts)
116. I understood retaliation and retribution
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:39 AM
Jan 2025

But this goes so far beyond.

I don't say much about this horrible situation. I have friends on both sides who are personally impacted, and I don't want them suffering like this.

Israel is not going to solve the emotional and mental stance of Palestinians by bombing them out of Gaza. Enough Palestinians have fled to safety and are watching events in their homeland that the idea of Palestine as a state will never die. The resentment of displacing Palestinians since 1948 and the hope for their country to again be recognized is no longer concentrated in a strip of land. The people who carry that flame are spread across the world. It is possible that what netanyahu has set in motion will someday create another cry of 'Never Again' For some reason, the outrage is not covered as the outrage for ethnic cleansing in Bosnia-Herzegovina, genocide in Rwanda, and unprovoked attack on Ukraine has been covered. It is real, but not recognized as valid, as valid as protest against those horrors were and are. This proposal, of limiting aid, goes against the grain of humanity, if we have much of that quaint feeling left.

On the other hand, Israel has been the target of countless attacks, raids, and hate as an idea and as a country. Having your relentless enemies living right next door provokes endless anxiety and there doesn't seem to be any way to stop hostilities. Israel has never lived in peace and living in constant attack or defense mode has taken its toll on every person who loves Israel. I can make changes in my life if someone or something bothers me. Jews who lived in the area of Israel from time out of mind don't have the same options. They can relocate within the border of Israel, or they can go to another country. If they go to another country, they will still have to deal with an atavistic hatred of all things Jewish. kristian style rwnj are happy to stand on the sidelines and let Muslims and Jews kill each other, because they hate easier than they love.

I have wondered many times why God chose to put Jewish, Muslim, then Christian believers right there in that part of the world. Then I realized it is a crossroads. The ideas move outward from that place, and no matter what you call God, the word will spread. Could another reason be that in that crossroads of the world, humans of different cultures, races, religions were supposed to meet and find a way to respect the differences and embrace common ground? If there is anything divine in why people of major religions were positioned there, it is not creating peace and harmony. I really can't take sides, because too many people are suffering.

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Sounds claudette Jan 2025 #1
I bet they have a lot planned for the people of Gaza when trump gets in office. Autumn Jan 2025 #2
Yep, it's obvious they want them gone. Seaside villas anyone? brush Jan 2025 #76
Here you go Michigan Islamists,... magicarpet Jan 2025 #3
It's not really a gift . . Richard D Jan 2025 #5
Yes, I do. sinkingfeeling Jan 2025 #7
So do I. That money as humanitarian aid to the Palestinians would've... brush Jan 2025 #77
No it wouldn't have Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #103
Consider swing state Michigan. The Arab/Muslim vote that went to trump... brush Jan 2025 #114
My point is that any humanitarian aid to the Palestinians would have benefited the wrong Palestinians. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #117
Good points but I have to say we're not talking about the sharpest tools in the shed... brush Jan 2025 #118
You do realize the gloves come off on Jan. 21. That was the point of the Op. paleotn Jan 2025 #22
Is it a problem to disagree with Biden? We are not a cult, you know. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #39
Muslims iemanja Jan 2025 #92
Israel is considering limiting humanitarian aid to Gaza drmeow Jan 2025 #4
Humanitarian aid to Gaza . . . Richard D Jan 2025 #6
Bingo. Archae Jan 2025 #9
Israel is in control of Gaza. They have done nothing to stop the gangs taking aid. Lonestarblue Jan 2025 #10
They've opened fire on gangs trying to forcibly attack and raid convoys NickB79 Jan 2025 #11
Exactly, and the real question that everyone needs to ask . . . Richard D Jan 2025 #13
100% spot on. Unladen Swallow Jan 2025 #32
I despise gaslighting with a passion. AloeVera Jan 2025 #33
if you don't like it . . . Richard D Jan 2025 #35
Gotta keep tabs on you. AloeVera Jan 2025 #37
That's funny . . . Richard D Jan 2025 #82
"Parting is such sweet sorrow". AloeVera Jan 2025 #83
If you break it you own it. Eko Jan 2025 #71
No reason not to since "making Palestinians disappear" is their unstated policy. paleotn Jan 2025 #18
Unstated policy . . . Richard D Jan 2025 #29
Been listening to the rhetoric and antics of his whack-a-doodle cabinet over the years? paleotn Jan 2025 #43
Add to it Hamas' STATED policy to annihilate the State of Israel, Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #51
Israel is not in control of Gaza. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #45
You mean by the Israel-approved clans and criminal gangs? AloeVera Jan 2025 #23
I'm highly attuned to gas-lighting . . . Richard D Jan 2025 #36
Plagiarism and DARVO too... AloeVera Jan 2025 #38
Likewise... Richard D Jan 2025 #52
Something tells me no one other than you means anything of the sort. Not even the aforementioned clans. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #53
Proof? yankee87 Jan 2025 #31
A few. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #58
Do you approve of starving people to death? iemanja Jan 2025 #94
Do you? Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #104
Shouldn't that be "Israel considering starving the remaining people in Gaza after Trump inauguration"? sinkingfeeling Jan 2025 #8
Exactly. That's the reality on the ground there. brush Jan 2025 #80
Shocker nowforever Jan 2025 #12
Who to believe? The UN or "there is no limit on the amount of aid that can enter Gaza" wink wink nudge nudge -COGAT? AloeVera Jan 2025 #14
COGAT is COGnitive Abilities Test. What does tRump impairment have to do with your post? Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #24
COGAT lol. AloeVera Jan 2025 #26
You wrote COGAT, not me. I still don't know what you mean by it. But yeah, I get you want to call me stupid. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #44
I'm very confused. AloeVera Jan 2025 #46
Thanks for clarifying. I had no idea that was an Israeli agency and a search on COGAT only came up with the test Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #48
Mahalo. AloeVera Jan 2025 #50
Compared to now???? no_hypocrisy Jan 2025 #15
I know, right? AloeVera Jan 2025 #20
You ain't seen nothing yet. paleotn Jan 2025 #25
Good job, Gaza Bros. paleotn Jan 2025 #16
You're welcome Michigan. Well done. Sleep well. ZonkerHarris Jan 2025 #17
They haven't slept for 15 months, I wager. AloeVera Jan 2025 #19
This is what they voted for when they refused to back Biden. Muslim Americans chose this path. ZonkerHarris Jan 2025 #21
Truly... AloeVera Jan 2025 #28
Who am I to argue with our Muslim American Palestinian voters? They know what they wanted and they got it. ZonkerHarris Jan 2025 #40
You stopped caring about genocide because you didn't like how people affected by it voted? AloeVera Jan 2025 #42
It was not the people of Gaza that voted. It was their relatives and friends in the USA. ZonkerHarris Jan 2025 #47
Most of the Muslims in Michigan are Lebanese. AloeVera Jan 2025 #49
Credit where credit is due Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #63
Except the majority - 58% of those Lebanese are... Christians! AloeVera Jan 2025 #66
Ummm... didn't you just say, and I quote, "Most of the Muslims in Michigan are Lebanese"? Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #68
I learn new things all the time, as you do too. AloeVera Jan 2025 #69
Not only did I not read the democraphic study you attached, Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #70
I can't figure you out. AloeVera Jan 2025 #73
Frankly, I know nothing of your character, so I have not the slightest interest in slurring it. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #109
I knew this. I think they're less than 58% these days, but I knew they were Lebanese. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #75
Interesting. AloeVera Jan 2025 #78
Yep LeftInTX Jan 2025 #72
And Muslim Americans voted to make it vastly worse. Morons. paleotn Jan 2025 #27
yup. But they sure showed me. Taught me a huge lesson. They should be happy I learned it right? ZonkerHarris Jan 2025 #41
The lesson: They got under your skin. I'm serious. That was the lesson LeftInTX Jan 2025 #81
Hope they enjoy the golf courses Trump and Bibi build in Gaza after they steamroll it like a pancake. ZonkerHarris Jan 2025 #85
I don't think they care. That's the issue. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #86
They care... ZonkerHarris Jan 2025 #87
Na...they're just getting ready for the next election. They'll vote for Democrats next election. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #88
Fuck 'em. Fuck everyone who didn't rally this time. People are attacking me for not caring about those who will be hurt ZonkerHarris Jan 2025 #91
Yes but Trump would have won even if he had lost Michigan. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2025 #99
I'm so old that I remember when there was an actual country called Palestine. OMGWTF Jan 2025 #30
Really? When was that? Mosby Jan 2025 #54
That State of Palestine has been occupied by Israel since 1967. Deuxcents Jan 2025 #102
And prior to that it was occupied and annexed by Jordan Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #107
I did not say it had never been occupied before 1967. Going back to even before written history, there were Deuxcents Jan 2025 #108
Of course you didn't. What you said was that the State of palestine had been occupied SINCE 1967 Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #110
My post said "occupied by Israel". I believe you're looking for a back n forth bantering Deuxcents Jan 2025 #112
No, your post said "State of Palestine has been occupied by Israel since 1967" Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #113
Who is surprised by this? trump warned voters how he intended to treat Gaza and Muslims LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2025 #34
TY LMPV... and Now those Muslims who voted for Cha Jan 2025 #55
I'll never forget (nor forgive) their chants of "Genocide Joe!" and taunts of "Enjoy Trump!" * Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #57
TY... Agree with it All! Cha Jan 2025 #60
I remember those chants and knew that these people would not like what trump and Bibi were going to do LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2025 #90
There is a lot of overlap between the anti-Hillary crowd... ZRB Jan 2025 #96
Interesting indeed. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #100
Israel is proof that the abused become abusers... you do what you learned NotHardly Jan 2025 #56
Fuck Hamas! The GD Terrorist Org... King of "ABUSERS". Cha Jan 2025 #61
So much victim-blaming and distraction here by Israel's supporters. AloeVera Jan 2025 #59
Other than this is not unthinkable, nor cruel, nor a proposal, the only thing I would disagree with is Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #64
Way too pretzel-like logic to even try... AloeVera Jan 2025 #65
But of course it is. Because you are so not contradicting what you said just a short while ago. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #67
Did you read the article? ZRB Jan 2025 #97
I read lots of articles, going a bit deeper than CNN. But of course, yes, I read it. AloeVera Jan 2025 #106
Are there any Muslim- or Arab-Americans in Democratic Underground that would like to weigh in on how they voted and why? C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #62
What a world! union rep Jan 2025 #74
"Gaza Ghetto". AloeVera Jan 2025 #79
Not even close. Learn your history before making absurd analogies. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #111
The Nazis considered limiting humanitarian aid to Jews? lapucelle Jan 2025 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author Jack Valentino Jan 2025 #84
Looks like some voters are getting what they asked for!!! LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2025 #89
Someone recently insisted Bibi's policies iemanja Jan 2025 #93
Bibi was working towards a trump victory LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2025 #105
Don't start wars with stronger opponents... ZRB Jan 2025 #95
I thought they were already limiting it. I don't think it can get much worse than it already is. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2025 #98
Post removed Post removed Jan 2025 #101
Monsters. alarimer Jan 2025 #115
I understood retaliation and retribution Marthe48 Jan 2025 #116
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