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moniss

(8,564 posts)
32. You miss the point of my response
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 09:57 AM
Dec 2024

which is about condoning violence and money provided to those who do and commit such acts. It is not about official approval because that is just a matter of application for which courts and politicians will weasel word when they feel the need. The examples I'm speaking of are things like people knew very well that when you set out "militia groups" aka "contractors" to take actions in an area of conflict that there are going to be people who go to excess. Any psychologist will tell you that is not an "if" it is a "when". But when it happens the people who funded it all claim "we had no idea and do not condone it" etc. But the facts are they know these things going in and it is only after being caught that they come out with the disingenuous rejection of the violence. But the idea of politicians and "leaders" being hypocritical and cowardly is nothing new which also goes to the point of long standing glorification and condoning of violence.

The slaughter of the indigenous people here in the US was also a deliberate act of murder. The reference to Hollywood is to show that not only did we do the act in reality but we romanticize it to this day and so the question of condoning is laid to rest with an undeniable verdict of guilty. Dead is still dead and there is no defense about condoning violence by saying "Oh it was authorized" or "Oh they went further than authorized". The powers that be love control of the people and projection of their power and ambitions through violence fully condoned.

So this man obviously went out of control and allegedly killed this CEO. As I posed originally the El Salvador Death Squads went out of control too. As well as the Contras. As well as the illegal squatters in the West Bank. As well as the people who raped and tortured prisoners in official prisons and black sites. But money raised for their defense and actions draws no widespread "outrage and claims of condoning violence" by government, media and the general population. Supposedly only for this individual is legal defense money inappropriate and supposedly "condoning" something.

I don't care whether you wear a hoodie and commit a violent act directly or whether you wear a suit and tie and pay others to do it for you under the guise of being "official". A stand on morals, which is what the question of condoning is about, doesn't change based on what you wear, your station in life or some "power and authority" claimed. Those who vacillate about that aren't about morals and in fact show themselves to be situational in applying some standard of conduct rather than upholding one.

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Isn't Mangione from a wealthy family? RandomNumbers Dec 2024 #1
it's not the money azureblue Dec 2024 #57
Show my support? WTAF??? RandomNumbers Dec 2024 #64
lmao he comes from an uber-wealthy family. Maybe use that money to help people pay off medical debt... Self Esteem Dec 2024 #2
"We are not here to celebrate violence" uncledad Dec 2024 #3
Does that also apply to military contractors, CIA moniss Dec 2024 #9
For what it's worth. I agree with you. chouchou Dec 2024 #18
It's not vacuous at all and is on point. moniss Dec 2024 #29
Military, CIA, Etc intelpug Dec 2024 #20
You miss the point of my response moniss Dec 2024 #32
Appreciate your thoughtful post Avalon Sparks Dec 2024 #56
What is the historical equivalence of the motives of the military, CIA? All "sanctioned". 58Sunliner Dec 2024 #49
Don't forget funding for insurrectionists like Trump & his minions Captain Zero Dec 2024 #22
Trump is being funded by billionaires azureblue Dec 2024 #58
Crickets. And corporations are people too y'know Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #63
This wasn't a movie? uncledad Dec 2024 #31
I have no earthly idea moniss Dec 2024 #33
I'm saving my outrage for the victims denied medical treatment. Merry Christmas. 58Sunliner Dec 2024 #50
His lawyer needs to tell him to buy a walker, stop fighting a bunch of police, stoop over and look in pain Silent Type Dec 2024 #4
He'll get sympathy since he's "attractive". The courtroom was full of young women. Callie1979 Dec 2024 #26
Considering he hadn't communicated with family or friends TexasBushwhacker Dec 2024 #45
A drop in the bucket Lulu KC Dec 2024 #5
Thank you MustLoveBeagles Dec 2024 #55
As many may have noted here on DU, I have a lot of empathy for Luigi TBF Dec 2024 #6
I don't think he had any ups or downs with UHC... reACTIONary Dec 2024 #11
The connection is there - to the industry. TBF Dec 2024 #14
His Family Owns A Senior Care Company Deep State Witch Dec 2024 #37
Why UHC cyclezealot1 Dec 2024 #21
I believe that's been reported - TBF Dec 2024 #35
32% denial rate. Nice work if you can find it............ Bengus81 Dec 2024 #41
All kids have insurance if their adults file an applicaiton IbogaProject Dec 2024 #16
I don't know the details - I will have to look that up TBF Dec 2024 #34
Yep....26. I haven't heard of that changing Bengus81 Dec 2024 #42
I was talking about the Child Health Plus IbogaProject Dec 2024 #46
They won't change it for above 18, which is normal paid insurance IbogaProject Dec 2024 #62
I think had insurance, but was faced with denials TexasBushwhacker Dec 2024 #60
My suggestion for some disruption would be for a large number of us moniss Dec 2024 #7
My concern is encouraging murder Nululu Dec 2024 #8
You have a significant number of people making a hero out of this guy MichMan Dec 2024 #10
It's sad nt Nululu Dec 2024 #12
With a jury trial, he may walk SallyHemmings Dec 2024 #25
And...another load of people making a hero out of a CEO that denies 32% of claims Bengus81 Dec 2024 #43
I don't think saying ClaireF Dec 2024 #48
What do you say when folks have health care needs, TBF Dec 2024 #59
passing the plate for a wealthy gun humping psycho killer coward Skittles Dec 2024 #13
Makes P.T. Barnum smile. Sneederbunk Dec 2024 #15
What f**king morans. He assassinated someone, and that is the same thing as contributing to the assholes who took part JohnSJ Dec 2024 #17
The head asshole in that gets inaugurated this January 20. Captain Zero Dec 2024 #23
Oh boy! AKwannabe Dec 2024 #19
Anyone here ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Cobalt Violet Dec 2024 #24
That's the standard in a court of law EX500rider Dec 2024 #30
The face photos are a little grainy, and I have seen arguments TBF Dec 2024 #36
I doubt it AZProgressive Dec 2024 #40
He is 26 - TBF Dec 2024 #51
The fact that he was still wearing the hoodie TexasBushwhacker Dec 2024 #61
so that's roughly quakerboy Dec 2024 #27
His family snowybirdie Dec 2024 #28
Two Country Clubs Deep State Witch Dec 2024 #38
I don't understand the logic in donating money to this guy. ificandream Dec 2024 #39
So is slowly,painfully KILLING people with 32% denial rate and running them into bankruptcy because of a POS Bengus81 Dec 2024 #44
Fuck that CEO orangecrush Dec 2024 #47
The defense of the CEO disgusts me - TBF Dec 2024 #52
Of course, Mangione will get off Scott free orangecrush Dec 2024 #53
Stop treating this guy like anti-abortion people treat Dr. killers thearchive Dec 2024 #54
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