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Kid Berwyn

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55. Thanks. Don't blame you or anyone for the absurdity of the topic of UFOs.
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 02:46 PM
Dec 17

Jacques Vallee said the phenomenon is absurd on its face. From Good Reads, an excerpt from "Messengers of Deception":



“The absurdity of many UFO stories and of many religious visions is not a superficial logical mistake. It may be the key to their function. According to Major Murphy (Vallee's amalgamation of military and intelligence figures used in the book), the confusion in the UFO mystery may have been put there deliberately to achieve certain results. One of these results has been to keep scientists away. The other is to create the conditions for a new form of social control, a change in Man’s perception of his place in the universe. Are his theories fantastic? Before we decide, let us review a few other facts. We need to examine more closely the political connections.

Paris Flammonde, in his well-documented Age of Flying Saucers, remarked that “a great many of the contactees purvey philosophies which are tinged, if not tainted, with totalitarian overtones.”1

A catalogue of contactee themes, compiled from interviews I have conducted, includes the following.

Intellectual abdication. The widespread belief that human beings are incapable of solving their own problems, and that extraterrestrial intervention is imperative to save us “in spite of ourselves.” The danger in such a philosophy is that it makes its believers dependent on outside forces and discourages personal responsibility: why should we worry about the problems around us, if the Gods from Outer Space are about to solve them?

Racist philosophy. The pernicious suggestion that some of us on the Earth are of extraterrestrial descent and therefore constitute a “higher race.” The dangers inherent in this belief should be obvious to anybody who hasn’t forgotten the genocides of World War II, executed on the premise that some races were somehow “purer” or better than others. (Let us note in passing that Adamski’s Venusian, the Stranger of the Canigou seen by Bordas, and many other alleged extraterrestrials were all tall Aryan types with long blond hair.)

Technical impotence. The statement that the birth of civilization on this planet resulted not from the genius and ability of mankind, but from repeated assistance by higher beings. Archaeologists and anthropologists are constantly aware of the marvelous skill with which the “Ancient Engineers” (to use L. Sprague de Camp’s phrase) developed the tools of civilization on all continents. No appeal to superior powers is necessary to explain the achievements of early culture. The belief expressed by the contactees reveals a tragic lack of trust on their part in human ability.

Social utopia. Fantastic economic theories, including the belief that a “world economy” can be created overnight, and that democracy should be abolished in favor of Utopian systems, usually dictatorial in their outlook.”

― Jacques F. Vallée, Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults

Source: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/11830123-the-absurdity-of-many-ufo-stories-and-of-many-religious

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By absurd, Vallee means the UFO phenomenon -- whatever it is behind the public "acts" of lights in the sky, objects on the ground, contact with humanoids, etc., represents an intelligence applying unknown science and technologies that doesn't make sense because "They" are not logical, or reasonable, or act in a straightforward and scientific way as our space explorers would.

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Isn't that where an alien space ship is supposed to be stored? Sneederbunk Dec 16 #1
Yes, per Wikipedia Dennis Donovan Dec 16 #3
And it's all documented in a bathroom at Mar a Lago. Sneederbunk Dec 16 #4
this johnnyfins Dec 16 #29
winning this thread !! (and all others like it) -(nt)- stopdiggin Dec 17 #34
Good one. Frank D. Lincoln Dec 17 #41
Huh?? Not the location in Independance Day!! Just ask Dr. Okun...eh...damn,he's dead. Bengus81 Dec 17 #49
If the FBI knows foreign governments aren't behind the drones... Happy Hoosier Dec 16 #2
Exactly... anciano Dec 16 #5
What they have said is that the drones are not being launched from foreign craft.... reACTIONary Dec 16 #13
The secrecy is puzzling, yes. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #20
Really? I thought it was an Iranian johnnyfins Dec 16 #30
Time to liberate Iran from the Iranians... /nt artemisia1 Dec 17 #37
OK, so not US military or foreign government, then who? IronLionZion Dec 16 #6
Some contractors that may soon be working with the government? n/t AntiFascist Dec 16 #9
One theory is it's a company that makes large drones and is testing them out. IronLionZion Dec 17 #42
then why close the Air Force base? TommyT139 Dec 17 #46
Exactly, and if the government knows for a fact that they aren't a threat... AntiFascist Dec 17 #53
There is tons of attention on it now IronLionZion Dec 17 #56
Just recently some kids were arrested for flying a drone... reACTIONary Dec 16 #14
I didn't hear how close they were. The FAA rule years ago was 5 miles or 5 nautical miles one or the other... Bengus81 Dec 17 #50
Muskrat wanting Marshall Law Blue Full Moon Dec 17 #38
It's aliens looking for their dead, to take them home. republianmushroom Dec 16 #7
Took them long enough. Rozwell was 77 years ago. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #21
Better late than never. republianmushroom Dec 16 #23
Roswell aliens should have dialed for an intergalactic Uber. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #25
"Roswell was 77 years ago...." TommyT139 Dec 17 #47
Yes. They could be right on time in their time/space continuum. Irish_Dem Dec 17 #48
Put Spongebob's chocolate bars on them. GreenWave Dec 16 #24
airport drone shut downs NJCher Dec 16 #8
Probably just the Pleiades, they often close airports if they get too bright Blues Heron Dec 16 #10
Pellucidar Blue Full Moon Dec 17 #40
The answer to the drone question is pretty simple. Ojerly Dec 16 #11
The Pentagon already said they are not theirs SamuelTheThird Dec 16 #12
That isn't plausable. The military doesn't conduct.. reACTIONary Dec 16 #15
Classified briefings to discuss kid's drones? SamuelTheThird Dec 16 #16
Help me out here. This post is about.... reACTIONary Dec 16 #17
You're just inventing suppositions SamuelTheThird Dec 16 #18
It is the same sort of incident, based on the newspaper reports... reACTIONary Dec 16 #19
the 'classified briefings' are being held stopdiggin Dec 17 #35
Yes but why conduct covert operations in such a public way? Irish_Dem Dec 16 #22
We are going to find out that these sightings are just rich dudes flying personal flying drones... William Gustafson Dec 16 #26
This! WestMichRad Dec 16 #32
Why is no one in the media reporting muskrats Kimbal brother owns a drone company that someone reported earlier kimbutgar Dec 16 #27
Elon will be awarded a large contract to figure 33taw Dec 16 #28
Are they drones? Shoonra Dec 16 #31
actually there have been identifications and arrests. (just not near enough of them) -(nt)- stopdiggin Dec 17 #36
Really? Alien or foreign spy drones? Aussie105 Dec 16 #33
Drone sightings confirmed over Hill Air Force Base in Utah LunaSea Dec 17 #39
Gee. WPAFB is about the most air-savvy place in America. Kid Berwyn Dec 17 #43
"So. How could a few pissant drones shut down the operation?" BumRushDaShow Dec 17 #44
Not really my point, but how does one fly drones onto restricted air space? Kid Berwyn Dec 17 #45
"Not really my point, but how does one fly drones onto restricted air space?" BumRushDaShow Dec 17 #51
The drones came back to WPAFB last night. Kid Berwyn Dec 17 #52
Not mocking you here get the red out Dec 17 #54
Thanks. Don't blame you or anyone for the absurdity of the topic of UFOs. Kid Berwyn Dec 17 #55
Note this BumRushDaShow Dec 17 #57
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