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104. So says the circular reasoning or confirmation bias - but again... there's a Miami jury involved

Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:42 PM

Dec 15

They don't have to find malice by a criminal "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard... just be a "more likely than not" standard - which a Miami jury could do pretty easily since George had been a political strategist for a Democratic president. And then you're way off on your assumptions of how damages work. How much was he ordered to pay Caroll? Tens of millions of dollars. Not because that's the damage she suffered - but because damages are also based on punitive damages determined by his wealth. A company the size of ABC could trigger a very large award.

You may not be that far off on the risk of losing. But say they evaluate it as merely a 10% chance of losing $200 million? $16 now is cheaper than millions in legal fees plus that 10% chance.

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Stolen AdamGG Dec 14 #71

A library that will never be built. MontanaMama Dec 14 #7

One million goes toward the library and the rest directly into T***p's pockets. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 14 #50

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How many colorin' books does that buy? 3Hotdogs Dec 14 #10

Does ABC's settlement put pressure on George S. to let go? no_hypocrisy Dec 14 #11

TSF will now use this in his 83 million dollar judgement against him from the defamation verdict Deuxcents Dec 14 #12

You mean use to money to pay the judgment? SunSeeker Dec 14 #18

No. I meant in his rants about how great he thinks he is Deuxcents Dec 14 #20

I'm confused angrychair Dec 14 #13

Similarly confused. Lucky Luciano Dec 14 #14

I think it was the slightly lesser charge of sexual assault Polybius Dec 14 #52

The jury found him liable angrychair Dec 14 #54

Gotcha, but because the jury also said "no" to the rape charge, he likely would have won the lawsuit Polybius Dec 14 #57

the Bushes got rid of Dan Rather rustbeltvoice Dec 14 #15

beyond satire jvill Dec 14 #16

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For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Dec 14 #35

Wow, ABC basically gave Trump a $16M bribe. SunSeeker Dec 14 #19

Very clever actually. Lucky Luciano Dec 14 #25

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From the "New York Times": mahatmakanejeeves Dec 14 #24

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America's new name: United States of Folded Lawn Chairs. Irish_Dem Dec 14 #26

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Maybe they can teach Trump to read. bucolic_frolic Dec 14 #28

IMO, capitulation by ABC in order to take the heat off of them going forward. walkingman Dec 14 #29

that's what i think too......... Takket Dec 14 #39

Hell, i'm just considering this bluestarone Dec 14 #30

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This contribution is to be held in escrow until trump establishes a 501(c)3 entity to build library LetMyPeopleVote Dec 14 #33

But was he not found civilly liable for raping Carroll? PortTack Dec 14 #36

No - he was found liable for sexually assaulting her FBaggins Dec 14 #40

No, he was found liable for "sexual abuse" under NY law, which the judge said was rape. SunSeeker Dec 15 #90

The problem with that is that another jury would be involved FBaggins Dec 15 #93

If the judge can say the jury found Trump raped her, so can Stephanopoulos. SunSeeker Dec 15 #94

So says the circular reasoning or confirmation bias - but again... there's a Miami jury involved FBaggins Dec 15 #104

Talk about circular reasoning...how the fuck would he have ANY damages? SunSeeker Dec 15 #106

Yes. Carroll's judge said the jury found Trump raped her. SunSeeker Dec 15 #89

WTAF?!?!?!? CaptainTruth Dec 14 #37

"inaccurate on-air assertion" - How many thousands (millions?) of those has Faux News made?!?!? CaptainTruth Dec 14 #38

Lots of them FBaggins Dec 14 #41

The only instance I know of, where FucksNews was ever held accountable. Jack Valentino Dec 14 #53

Settlements are often confidential- but it's hardly the only one FBaggins Dec 14 #67

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This is so much Bullshit ass kidding that big fat evil orange ass! kimbutgar Dec 14 #44

Dear God Botany Dec 14 #45

He's going to have a "library??" Since when??? Rhiannon12866 Dec 14 #46

What library????? bdamomma Dec 14 #47

What was incorrect about George's statement? Orrex Dec 14 #48

Nothing Cirsium Dec 14 #49

See post 40 Polybius Dec 14 #55

He said 'the jury found him liable for rape' That is factually incorrect. The jury was asked 2 questions #1 was DJT kelly1mm Dec 14 #59

Nothing. Carroll's judge said the jury found Trump raped her. SunSeeker Dec 15 #91

It should read... ABC agrees to pay blackmail request. yourout Dec 14 #51

ABC was in the wrong. Groundhawg Dec 14 #56

TRUMP DIDN'T HAVE A CASE in my humble "I am not a lawyer" opinion... Jack Valentino Dec 14 #58

He said 'the jury found him liable for rape' That is factually incorrect. The jury was asked 2 questions #1 was DJT kelly1mm Dec 14 #60

The disagreement is semantics, between the 'legal' and the common sense defininition Jack Valentino Dec 14 #61

You are not misinformed on the issue of digital (finger) penetration. That is not rape under NY law. My understanding kelly1mm Dec 14 #62

But was it in fact 'rape', in your personal opinion ? Jack Valentino Dec 14 #64

I know you said that you are not a lawyer. Thus you may not know that juries are given what are called kelly1mm Dec 14 #66

Yes, I understand that. I also understand that juries sometimes ignore 'jury instructions', Jack Valentino Dec 14 #68

Yes I understand that DJT's liable case was DEFINATELY NOT a slam dunk. Hard to show the actual malace kelly1mm Dec 14 #69

And I submit that you are likely 'factually correct' on the technicalities Jack Valentino Dec 14 #72

Yes. A good conversation. The 15M is going to charity. However that charity is President Trump's library (if you can kelly1mm Dec 14 #73

I don't disagree with your point about liable laws and 'free speech', Jack Valentino Dec 14 #74

Shitler's case was total bullshit. What jury would award him damages? SunSeeker Dec 15 #76

So is your argument that ABC News and GS paid 15M to the President Trump Library fund and issued kelly1mm Dec 15 #85

NO. SunSeeker Dec 15 #87

It IS factually accurate as most people understand the term "rape." SunSeeker Dec 15 #77

For libel purposes, the phrase that is most important in not the word 'rape' but the phrase 'the JURY found'. From a kelly1mm Dec 15 #80

Carroll's judge said the jury found Trump raped her. SunSeeker Dec 15 #82

Please read my comment again. I put that in as one of the options that would NOT have gotten kelly1mm Dec 15 #84

If the judge can describe the verdict as the jury found Trump raped her, so can a lay journalist. SunSeeker Dec 15 #86

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Your nonlawyer opinion is correct. SunSeeker Dec 15 #79

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Trump Library guss Dec 15 #95

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