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94. If the judge can say the jury found Trump raped her, so can Stephanopoulos.

Sun Dec 15, 2024, 07:51 AM

Dec 2024

As the judge in the Caroll case made clear, we are not required to restate a jury verdict form verbatim in all its legalese. We can summarize a jury's finding in every day comonly used language, namely, that the jury found Trump raped her.

Sure, a Miami jury could be more conservative than a Manhattan jury, but even if they decided that George's statement was incorrect, then they would have to find malice, and then damages. What are Trump's damages?? He got elected after George said that, and that's despite being convicted of 34 felonies. What person suddenly thought worse of Trump because of how George Stephanopoulos described the Carroll verdict?

You are overstating the risk ABC would be taking in terms of any judgement after trial.

The risk ABC/Disney was probably most afraid of was being in the bad graces of our dictactor-elect, not any judgment in this stupid case. That's why I think they coughed up $16M.

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Ugh. sinkingfeeling Dec 2024 #1

Is this the lawsuit that is related to a judge just ruling that 45 has to appear for a deposition next week? in2herbs Dec 2024 #2

Yes FBaggins Dec 2024 #23

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Joining you. Dem2theMax Dec 2024 #5

With apologies to Peter Tosh frisbee7 Dec 2024 #4

And with loving tribute and admiration to DU (as well as HOPEFULLY the rest of the Dems) for the next 4 and beyond... Montauk6 Dec 2024 #8

The slimeball can barely read so what will they put in that "library"? Dave Bowman Dec 2024 #6

His Twitter account access dweller Dec 2024 #31

donnie says forget the library, just hand over the cash and he'll figure out what to do with it nt orleans Dec 2024 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author AdamGG Dec 2024 #70

Stolen AdamGG Dec 2024 #71

A library that will never be built. MontanaMama Dec 2024 #7

One million goes toward the library and the rest directly into T***p's pockets. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2024 #50

Oh, FFS. tanyev Dec 2024 #9

How many colorin' books does that buy? 3Hotdogs Dec 2024 #10

Does ABC's settlement put pressure on George S. to let go? no_hypocrisy Dec 2024 #11

TSF will now use this in his 83 million dollar judgement against him from the defamation verdict Deuxcents Dec 2024 #12

You mean use to money to pay the judgment? SunSeeker Dec 2024 #18

No. I meant in his rants about how great he thinks he is Deuxcents Dec 2024 #20

I'm confused angrychair Dec 2024 #13

Similarly confused. Lucky Luciano Dec 2024 #14

I think it was the slightly lesser charge of sexual assault Polybius Dec 2024 #52

The jury found him liable angrychair Dec 2024 #54

Gotcha, but because the jury also said "no" to the rape charge, he likely would have won the lawsuit Polybius Dec 2024 #57

the Bushes got rid of Dan Rather rustbeltvoice Dec 2024 #15

beyond satire jvill Dec 2024 #16

Wait ... A Donald Trump library? Bok_Tukalo Dec 2024 #17

For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2024 #35

Wow, ABC basically gave Trump a $16M bribe. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #19

Very clever actually. Lucky Luciano Dec 2024 #25

drumpf library JoseBalow Dec 2024 #21

This is craziness. I got nothin" . Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #22

From the "New York Times": mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2024 #24

Apology statement will be published online, not aired LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2024 #34

America's new name: United States of Folded Lawn Chairs. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #26

He is such a festering piece of garbage. I hope nobody visits. Initech Dec 2024 #27

Maybe they can teach Trump to read. bucolic_frolic Dec 2024 #28

IMO, capitulation by ABC in order to take the heat off of them going forward. walkingman Dec 2024 #29

that's what i think too......... Takket Dec 2024 #39

Hell, i'm just considering this bluestarone Dec 2024 #30

Ridiculous underpants Dec 2024 #32

This contribution is to be held in escrow until trump establishes a 501(c)3 entity to build library LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2024 #33

But was he not found civilly liable for raping Carroll? PortTack Dec 2024 #36

No - he was found liable for sexually assaulting her FBaggins Dec 2024 #40

No, he was found liable for "sexual abuse" under NY law, which the judge said was rape. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #90

The problem with that is that another jury would be involved FBaggins Dec 2024 #93

If the judge can say the jury found Trump raped her, so can Stephanopoulos. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #94

So says the circular reasoning or confirmation bias - but again... there's a Miami jury involved FBaggins Dec 2024 #104

Talk about circular reasoning...how the fuck would he have ANY damages? SunSeeker Dec 2024 #106

Yes. Carroll's judge said the jury found Trump raped her. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #89

WTAF?!?!?!? CaptainTruth Dec 2024 #37

"inaccurate on-air assertion" - How many thousands (millions?) of those has Faux News made?!?!? CaptainTruth Dec 2024 #38

Lots of them FBaggins Dec 2024 #41

The only instance I know of, where FucksNews was ever held accountable. Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #53

Settlements are often confidential- but it's hardly the only one FBaggins Dec 2024 #67

So when does everyone maligned by fox news start suing? Hieronymus Phact Dec 2024 #42

Yes. Every top Dem has been slandered countless times on air LymphocyteLover Dec 2024 #96

Cowards LPBBEAR Dec 2024 #43

This is so much Bullshit ass kidding that big fat evil orange ass! kimbutgar Dec 2024 #44

Dear God Botany Dec 2024 #45

He's going to have a "library??" Since when??? Rhiannon12866 Dec 2024 #46

What library????? bdamomma Dec 2024 #47

What was incorrect about George's statement? Orrex Dec 2024 #48

Nothing Cirsium Dec 2024 #49

See post 40 Polybius Dec 2024 #55

He said 'the jury found him liable for rape' That is factually incorrect. The jury was asked 2 questions #1 was DJT kelly1mm Dec 2024 #59

Nothing. Carroll's judge said the jury found Trump raped her. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #91

It should read... ABC agrees to pay blackmail request. yourout Dec 2024 #51

ABC was in the wrong. Groundhawg Dec 2024 #56

TRUMP DIDN'T HAVE A CASE in my humble "I am not a lawyer" opinion... Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #58

He said 'the jury found him liable for rape' That is factually incorrect. The jury was asked 2 questions #1 was DJT kelly1mm Dec 2024 #60

The disagreement is semantics, between the 'legal' and the common sense defininition Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #61

You are not misinformed on the issue of digital (finger) penetration. That is not rape under NY law. My understanding kelly1mm Dec 2024 #62

But was it in fact 'rape', in your personal opinion ? Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #64

I know you said that you are not a lawyer. Thus you may not know that juries are given what are called kelly1mm Dec 2024 #66

Yes, I understand that. I also understand that juries sometimes ignore 'jury instructions', Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #68

Yes I understand that DJT's liable case was DEFINATELY NOT a slam dunk. Hard to show the actual malace kelly1mm Dec 2024 #69

And I submit that you are likely 'factually correct' on the technicalities Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #72

Yes. A good conversation. The 15M is going to charity. However that charity is President Trump's library (if you can kelly1mm Dec 2024 #73

I don't disagree with your point about liable laws and 'free speech', Jack Valentino Dec 2024 #74

Shitler's case was total bullshit. What jury would award him damages? SunSeeker Dec 2024 #76

So is your argument that ABC News and GS paid 15M to the President Trump Library fund and issued kelly1mm Dec 2024 #85

NO. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #87

It IS factually accurate as most people understand the term "rape." SunSeeker Dec 2024 #77

For libel purposes, the phrase that is most important in not the word 'rape' but the phrase 'the JURY found'. From a kelly1mm Dec 2024 #80

Carroll's judge said the jury found Trump raped her. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #82

Please read my comment again. I put that in as one of the options that would NOT have gotten kelly1mm Dec 2024 #84

If the judge can describe the verdict as the jury found Trump raped her, so can a lay journalist. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #86

Thanks for the clarification. That was well thought out - especially the part about SLAPP suits. nt kelly1mm Dec 2024 #99

Your nonlawyer opinion is correct. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #79

I'm waiting for Karma. Boomerproud Dec 2024 #105

Obeying in advance for a suit they would have won... JT45242 Dec 2024 #65

Yup. Marc Elias gets it. SunSeeker Dec 2024 #88

They can't do enough kacekwl Dec 2024 #75

Let's not kid ourselves about what's going on here. unblock Dec 2024 #78

Toilet-licking cowards Blue Owl Dec 2024 #81

Boycotting abc is easy, have been doing it for years. niyad Dec 2024 #83

Has Trump paid E. Jean Carroll the $83 million he owes her yet? tetedur Dec 2024 #92

The money is in escrow awaiting appeal BumRushDaShow Dec 2024 #97

Trump Library guss Dec 2024 #95

Stockholm Syndrome is suddenly Trump syndrome Historic NY Dec 2024 #98

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His presidential library should be. McDonald's with a couple of books and wall to wall pictures of tsf MacKasey Dec 2024 #101

So the court fount that he only forced his fingers in to a woman's Vagina, Not his penis. OK, Facts matter... mackdaddy Dec 2024 #102

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