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Cirsium

(1,154 posts)
33. Inspires murder?
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:05 PM
Dec 14

Moore is it inspiring murder. That is a pretty inflammatory charge. It is not as though we do not have countless examples of MAGA leaders inspiring violence for comparison.

People are not angry at receptionists at hospitals they are angry with the CEOs. The idea that by protecting management we are protecting the innocent rank and file has long been used by reactionary and anti-Labor forces to muddle the issue.

Here is the original article:

https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/a-manifesto-against-for-profit-health?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=320974&post_id=153048771

Some excerpts:

"In Fahrenheit 9/11, I condemned the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi people and the senseless murder of our own American soldiers at the hands of our American government. In Bowling for Columbine, I condemned the murder of 50,000 Americans every year at the hands of our gun industry and our politicians who do nothing to stop it. In my 35 years as a filmmaker, have I said or done anything that has implied I condone murder?"

"Here’s a sad statistic for you: In the United States, we have a whopping 1.4 million people employed with the job of DENYING HEALTH CARE, vs only 1 million doctors in the entire country! That’s all you need to know about America. We pay more people to deny care than to give it. 1 million doctors to give care, 1.4 million brutes in cubicles doing their best to stop doctors from giving that care. If the purpose of “health care” is to keep people alive, then what is the purpose of DENYING PEOPLE HEALTH CARE? Other than to kill them? I definitely condemn that kind of murder."

"Because this anger is not about the killing of a CEO. If everyone who was angry was ready to kill the CEOs, the CEOs would already be dead. That is not what this reaction is about. It is about the mass death and misery — the physical pain, the mental abuse, the medical debt, the bankruptcies in the face of denied claims and denied care and bottomless deductibles on top of ballooning premiums — that this “health care” industry has levied against the American people for decades. With no one standing in their way! Just a government — two broken parties — enabling this INDUSTRY’s theft and, yes, murder."

"Yes, I condemn murder, and that’s why I condemn America’s broken, vile, rapacious, bloodthirsty, unethical, immoral health care industry and I condemn every one of the CEOs who are in charge of it and I condemn every politician who takes their money and keeps this system going instead of tearing it up, ripping it apart, and throwing it all away. We need to replace this system with something sane, something caring and loving — something that keeps people alive."

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Hot burning anger doesn't really solve these problems. It may help to make a start, but that's it. Walleye Dec 14 #1
doesn't solve the problems Skittles Dec 14 #4
Well, I hope it works. But I'm not sure this calling attention to an issue actually helps anymore. Walleye Dec 14 #5
Not by Dems. Some of us are just sick of it. Eventually you get pissed enough to do "good trouble." n/t Evolve Dammit Dec 14 #30
what do you mean by "good trouble"? Skittles Dec 14 #51
Shame on you for suggesting. Evolve Dammit Dec 14 #52
I think that could be MY response Skittles Dec 14 #53
Perhaps you never heard of John Lewis. Just wow. All done "Skittles." Evolve Dammit Dec 14 #54
Ugh...Every credible person needs to "divorce" themselves from this Luigi guy. LeftInTX Dec 14 #2
I only think a small subset of young people and "social media/tabloid entertainment media" are fixating on the guy BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #3
The issue of unaffordable healthcare insurance helped Obama get elected in 2008. sop Dec 14 #34
Well the GOP helped to encourage Democrats to run away from Obama beecause of the ACA BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #35
I liked his first documentary about Flint. Then I tried watching "Bowling for Columbine"...let's just say my teenager LeftInTX Dec 14 #41
I had "Bowling for Columbine" on DVR for a long time BumRushDaShow Dec 14 #42
You can kill the body and the soul of a person with abuse-I call it soul murder Stargazer99 Dec 14 #8
People are justified at being angry at the system. COL Mustard Dec 14 #15
Unless people feel all hope is lost The Grand Illuminist Dec 14 #21
I don't believe Luigi felt all hope was lost due to health insurance. Neither he nor his family have ever been customers LeftInTX Dec 14 #44
Using Drumpf's criming record, I'd say breaking the law(s) appears to be Okey Dokey now. Magats know it. Evolve Dammit Dec 14 #32
Sorry , but... COL Mustard Dec 14 #36
course not. I'm just saying the last 9 years have sent a message loud and clear. It's OK to break the law. FCS, Evolve Dammit Dec 14 #47
Not on this thread Cirsium Dec 14 #24
Same thing happens with serial killers. cab67 Dec 14 #29
Yes. There's a mystique. LeftInTX Dec 14 #39
Gasoline Indeed RecoveringJournalist Dec 14 #6
Thank you for an intellgent and rational set of thoughts Stargazer99 Dec 14 #9
Remember when A black man became president and 100yrs. of anger was unleashed? nt Hotler Dec 14 #7
Those MAGA morons can spew their feigned anger over this.... Bengus81 Dec 14 #10
Michael Moore just wants to be relevent uncledad Dec 14 #11
That is absolutely not true. My sister and brother-in-law know him and are also both from Flint, HUAJIAO Dec 14 #17
Michael Moore is relevant, except in small closed circles. Autumn Dec 14 #19
He is a neighbor Cirsium Dec 14 #25
Cheap to say and misspell and get wrong. Welcome to DU, I think. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 14 #45
Which side are you on? Emile Dec 15 #62
Im not on the side of a murderer uncledad Dec 16 #63
In this case, the word murderer would be plural. Emile Dec 17 #65
I get it. Moore sees this as an opportunity for the American people to rise up in rebellion and force the government Martin68 Dec 14 #12
He didn't just jump in. The CEO shooter and the media brought him into the conversation. Autumn Dec 14 #20
Years and years Cirsium Dec 14 #26
Yes he has and both parties have fought tooth and nail against it the donations Autumn Dec 14 #31
The Only Way to "Address" This Problem modrepub Dec 14 #13
So true. HUAJIAO Dec 14 #18
If the stupid 49.6% of the electorate keep voting for repukes, it really doesn't amount to a pile of horseshit....... wolfie001 Dec 14 #14
So hopeless Cirsium Dec 14 #28
Not fearmongering wolfie001 Dec 14 #56
That was the focus Cirsium Dec 14 #57
Glad you agree with me wolfie001 Dec 15 #59
I think a better target for change is those who don't vote. When Bush Jr. was president, I read that 80% of non-voters LT Barclay Dec 15 #58
That too! wolfie001 Dec 15 #60
Alienation Cirsium Dec 15 #61
Maybe instead of just booths at festivals, or large rallies.. LT Barclay Dec 16 #64
It could be set up as non-profits Turbineguy Dec 14 #16
The question for Moore is not whether he condemns murder. The question is whether he inspires murder. Beastly Boy Dec 14 #22
Inspires murder? Cirsium Dec 14 #33
Mangione credits Moore for inspiring him. Beastly Boy Dec 14 #38
That's it?? Cirsium Dec 14 #40
Yes that's it, in a nutshell. Beastly Boy Dec 14 #48
OK Cirsium Dec 14 #55
"Not a dime's worth of difference" between Bush and Gore? That guy? RandomNumbers Dec 14 #23
Didn't he predict that the polls were all wrong and Harris would win in a landslide ? MichMan Dec 14 #27
Please go to the source Wild blueberry Dec 14 #37
We should, even if we're obviously not getting universal health care under fucking fascism. Karasu Dec 14 #43
Fine if it gets us reform TheFarseer Dec 14 #46
There is no justification for CEO's and other executives receiving the extreme salaries and benefits they receive. LiberalFighter Dec 14 #49
There is a book... Copyright 2010 Trust_Reality Dec 14 #50
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