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nmmi

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6. But since the Fed rate cuts began on Sept 18, interest rates have plunged, uh, well, no, they've gone up
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 04:46 PM
Nov 22

First on the OP article, the only mention of cutting interest rates since the Fed lowered them by 0.5 percentage points on Sept 18 and 0.25 points on Nov. 7:

Some retailers, such as Macy’s, Nordstrom and TJX, have since passed on the 0.5 percentage point cut that the Federal Reserve implemented in September to cardholders. Still, their APRs are at record highs, sitting between 2 and 2.25 percentage points higher than they were a year ago.


I wrote this in the Economy Group today:

I don't know, but most interest rates have RISEN since the Fed's cuts

The Fed cut rates on Sept 18 by 0.50 percentage points and on Nov 7 by 0.25 percentage points. These are very short term rates - overnight rates that banks lend to each other. That generally affects longer short-term rates, and even intermediate term rates.

But, surprisingly, since Sept 18, the 10 year Treasury yield has risen from 3.74% to 4.41% (and bonds have fallen in value accordingly.).

And, by the way, the yield was 4.43% at the 11/5 election day close, before the election night results Nakba began to unfold, so it's actually a drop (teeny one) since pre-election.

Even the 1 year yield has risen from 3.97% to 4.41%

Its only short term yields that have fallen (and their corresponding securities' prices risen), e.g. the 3 month Treaury yield has fallen from 4.73% to 4.54%.

The average rate on a 30-year mortgage in the US rises to highest level since July, AP, 11/21/24
https://apnews.com/article/mortgage-rates-housing-interest-financing-home-loan-99fa3ab40bf2ad2cad1e554683e70d54

Treasury rates (graphs):
10 Year: https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y
1 Year: https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US1Y
3 month: https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US3m

Kiplinger's explains this counterintuitive phenomenon by saying the economy is stronger than what was anticipated a couple months ago (which tends to push up yields), and there's been a bit of an upturn in inflation too, after months of falling.

People who own intermediate term bonds (like me) or longer term, or even as low as 1 year maturity have seen their bond values slaughtered. I was so hopeful that the bleeding would stop with the rate cuts, but no, the blood is gushing out even faster.

I don't know who the "bond vigilantes" are, but I feel like I've been "vigilanteed".

We'll have more of the same if the tariff fuckheads cause inflation to reheat. (Or the opposite if they screw the economy up enough to cause a real recession).

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Assfugs UpInArms Nov 22 #1
Just wait until the tariffs start Yavin4 Nov 22 #2
Why is ANYBODY ever allowed to charge any of the usurious rates mentioned? mpcamb Nov 22 #3
Why would anyone be dumb enough to use a charge card at places like Big Lots or Michaels in the first place ? MichMan Nov 22 #4
Michaels, I can see jmowreader Nov 22 #8
Wedding planners should be paying off their balances quickly, so interest rates shouldn't matter MichMan Nov 22 #9
These companies often offer fabulous deals up front to get their card to use on their merch. Intractable Nov 23 #16
Hey DENVERPOPS Nov 22 #15
Reagan couldn't have done it without congress. MichMan Nov 23 #17
No Idea............ DENVERPOPS Nov 23 #18
Reagan had a Democratic congress all eight years MichMan Nov 23 #21
I tell my friends and not frequent those businesses at all. That's what I can do. Magoo48 Nov 22 #5
But since the Fed rate cuts began on Sept 18, interest rates have plunged, uh, well, no, they've gone up nmmi Nov 22 #6
We should avoid the store cards Marthe48 Nov 22 #7
If at all possible, pay cash when you buy gas. Dem2theMax Nov 22 #10
Thanks for the tips Marthe48 Nov 22 #12
I know the feeling! Dem2theMax Nov 22 #14
We gave up our credit cards decades ago. eggplant Nov 22 #11
This is the kind of gouging of the public that VP Harris promised to go after. Jit423 Nov 22 #13
Whoever came up with the concept of credit cards needs to . . . Aussie105 Nov 23 #19
Thank you for sending me down the rabbit hole! BumRushDaShow Nov 23 #20
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